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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    In a democratic government majority rules and we have yet to find out if it is unconstitutional............The SCOTUS will decide that when they hear the case..........
    We don't have a democratic government, we have a Republic form of government.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine
    We don't have a democratic government, we have a Republic form of government.
    It is a democratic form of government that is a republic and elections are decided by the majority......
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    It is a democratic form of government that is a republic and elections are decided by the majority......
    Yes, elections, not the constitutionality of a religous phrase in a pledge of allegiance to a government that is not support to support religion.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    If I lived in and Islamic country abd they said Under Allah that would be fine with me..........If I lived in a country that believed in Budda and they said under Budda that would be fine with me......

    We live in a judo/christian country and we should be allowed to say under God..........As someone already said it is not required you say it.................

    You people that want God erased from everything in this country are jyst fooling yourself..It ain't gonna happen.......
    You live in a secular country and you're perfectly free to say "under God" if you want.

    What is illegal is for the Congress to legislate "under God" in the Pledge.

    Is that difference to difficult for you?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    God is as generic a name for a nameless diety as can probably be conceived, and is the historic God of the Declaration of Independence and the presumption of the founding fathers.
    No. "God", with the capital G, is pretty spefic to the Judeo-Christian fantasy system. The Hindus have names for all their thousands of gods, the Buddhists have their Buddy, and the tree huggers have their elms and their oaks.

    The pledge is legislated at "under God", not "under god", so your argument is false.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    It is a democratic form of government that is a republic and elections are decided by the majority......
    Decided by the majority? Then why didn't Gore become President in 2000?


    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightatNYU
    Well, that's mature.
    It's honest. He's outlived his age. No one wants judges that rule by imaginary fiat anymore. At least they shouldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightatNYU
    Um, are you serious? You think that people should have freedom to own any and every weapon they can get a hold of? Why stop with grenade launchers? Give everyone a nuke.
    Nukes are a tad expensive. Can't name a soul that could afford to build one of their own. But why stop with grenade launchers is right. I don't see any limits written into the Constitution, do you?

    What's your justification for limiting pieces of property owned by citizens?

    Remember, 165 people were killed with tractor fuel and bull**** in Oklahoma City.

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    That's a bold statement. Wanna back it up?
    Kelo vs New London.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacridge
    Decided by the majority? Then why didn't Gore become President in 2000?


    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/
    Becasue he did not win the electoral votes in enough states........Hell he did not even win them in his home state which is unheard of.......The people in each individual state voted to decide who got the elctoral votes...........

    You people on the left have a habit of nominating flawed candidates.......
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    I'm speculating that if the defense attorneys for the pledge do their job even halfway competently, the SCOTUS vote will be 9-0 that the phrase 'under God' is not an establishment of religion and is not unconstitutional. Even if the most liberal justices stick to their anti-religion stances, the vote will certainly be no worse than 6-3 to keep 'under God' in the Pledge for as long as the people want it to be there.
    There you go again tossing around the "anti-religion" label for anyone who doesn't agree with your stance on the pledge. It's good to see that you don't let common sense or logic get in the way of a good argument.

    By the way, the Pledge is 'sanctioned' as a uniform patriotic statement at the national level, but it is not mandated from the national level. The various states decide how, where, and when the Pledge will be used in their state schools, etc. As I have said before, 49 of 50 of these same states acknowledge the historical God in the preambles of their constitutions and to date not one of these has been successfully challenged as being unconstitutional.
    Exactly. And the 14th Amendment took the first amendment, where it says "Congress shall make no law..." and turned it into "Government shall make no law..."

    So, it's covered.

    And the difference is that the preambles to the state constitutions are not mandated by the state to be recited aloud by the teachers every single day in the public schools.

    That's the coercion part.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    So let me understand, are you saying that when this goes to the SCOTUS that they won't hear the decision or over rule it?

    I am saying if they hear it, and I am not sure they will, that they will strike down the 9th circuit court opinion as they usually do.......
    If the court doesn't grant cert to the case, it's a de facto endorsement of the lower court's decision.

    If they do, they will affirm.
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