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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

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    Interestingly today on ABC's THIS WEEK there was an interview with Associate Justice Stephen Breyer, did you see it? He made some really RELEVANT points re the Constitution. Breyer mentioned that our Founding Fathers never anticipated things like automobiles, airplanes, TV, the Internet etc. His point was that the Constitution was constructed in such a way that it can be altered to changing times, that it would be foolish, if not down right stupid to interpret it literally rather than interpreting the meaning of each article or amendment. So those of you who keep praying to God that Rove errr Bush will appoint a "strict constructionist" to Court are, IMHO not understanding the TRUE meaning of the Constitution.
    And that's why it would be nice if Breyer had a stroke and died. The Constitution isn't about technology, it's about people. The First Amendment isn't changed by the fact that radio and TV replaced newspaper. The Second Amendment isn't altered by the existence of automatic firearms and grenade launchers. Search warrants are still needed, and the government can't force suspects to talk using drugs.

    Breyer's self-serving interpretation of the Constitution is the primary reason the country's in the position it's in, socially.

    The Constitution is about the evils of people who happen to be politicians, and they are no more nor no less corrupt and evil today than they were in 1789. HUGE sections of the government are totally outside of Constitutional authority today, and that's the problem in America.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    How, when, or why the phrase was created is moot. What counts now is how it is viewed by those who like the phrase in the Pledge. And most people do like the phrase in the Pledge. And I do think most people see it as cultural, historical, and symbolic. You are not required to say it and there is no consequence for you if you do not.
    There is nothing more irrelevant about the Constitutional status of the words "under Allah" in the pledge than the fact that large numbers of people are in favor of it.

    What is relevant is who inserted the words.

    Congress inserted religiously biased words into a poem that had previously been legislated as a patriotic ritual utterance. It's questionable that the definition of a formal "Pledge of Allegiance" was constitutional.

    It's perfectly clear that legislating a religious bias in that same patriotic ritual utterance is totally in violation of the literal interpretation of the First Amendment, as well as any possible reasonable "living" interpretation.

    I can't wait to see what happens when Allah's supporters have the majority vote in this country. Imagine the screaming that will be going on about the pledge then.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    I'm not really part of any religion and I think it should be in the Pledge. I mean, 95% of the US has some sort of belief in one form or the other. And plus, what are the teachers gonna do? send them to detention for saying two words?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by shakenbake19
    I'm not really part of any religion and I think it should be in the Pledge. I mean, 95% of the US has some sort of belief in one form or the other. And plus, what are the teachers gonna do? send them to detention for saying two words?
    Again, this issue has been argued.

    Reguardless of what majority percentage believe in a superior being.
    The constitution clearly states that the government is not allowed to sponsor religion, or the belief thereof.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Even if we were to abolish it? The catholics would freak out. If we leave it in, the atheists would freak out. How are you going to explain this to kintergardners who just learned it and now they have to unlearn it because of some judge thinking that it is wrong? What about the 95% of people who want to believe that God is looking down on the country.

    just to comment on your signature.............the Democrats arent uch better than the republicans there buddy..........

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by shakenbake19
    Even if we were to abolish it? The catholics would freak out. If we leave it in, the atheists would freak out. How are you going to explain this to kintergardners who just learned it and now they have to unlearn it because of some judge thinking that it is wrong? What about the 95% of people who want to believe that God is looking down on the country.

    just to comment on your signature.............the Democrats arent uch better than the republicans there buddy..........
    Again... You can't go against the constitution of the united states because your trying to please the catholic church and those who believe in god.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by shakenbake19
    Even if we were to abolish it? The catholics would freak out. If we leave it in, the atheists would freak out. How are you going to explain this to kintergardners who just learned it and now they have to unlearn it because of some judge thinking that it is wrong? What about the 95% of people who want to believe that God is looking down on the country.

    just to comment on your signature.............the Democrats arent uch better than the republicans there buddy..........
    I guess "God's Own Party" would instead differenciate the two.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    If I lived in and Islamic country abd they said Under Allah that would be fine with me..........If I lived in a country that believed in Budda and they said under Budda that would be fine with me......

    We live in a judo/christian country and we should be allowed to say under God..........As someone already said it is not required you say it.................

    You people that want God erased from everything in this country are jyst fooling yourself..It ain't gonna happen.......
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    There is nothing more irrelevant about the Constitutional status of the words "under Allah" in the pledge than the fact that large numbers of people are in favor of it.

    What is relevant is who inserted the words.

    Congress inserted religiously biased words into a poem that had previously been legislated as a patriotic ritual utterance. It's questionable that the definition of a formal "Pledge of Allegiance" was constitutional.

    It's perfectly clear that legislating a religious bias in that same patriotic ritual utterance is totally in violation of the literal interpretation of the First Amendment, as well as any possible reasonable "living" interpretation.

    I can't wait to see what happens when Allah's supporters have the majority vote in this country. Imagine the screaming that will be going on about the pledge then.
    Allah is a specific god of people who embrace Islam. There is no other religion that worships Allah. God is as generic a name for a nameless diety as can probably be conceived, and is the historic God of the Declaration of Independence and the presumption of the founding fathers.

    Later lawmakers wisely saw your point as to whether a formal 'Pledge of Allegiance' is Constiutional if mandatory. So long as it is optional and voluntary, there is nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit it.

    It is no more unconstitutional than teaching rules for displaying, posting, and showing respect for the flag, properly posting the colors, singing the National Anthem, singing "My Country Tis of Thee', or reciting the Declaration of Independence.

    There is nothing wrong with teaching children that the colonies were settled by people seeking the right to worship as they pleased and many holidays that we celebrate today evolved from traditions that started with them and their progeny. Certainly a good teacher would explain to the children that the God of the pledge is symbolic of the belief of the founding fathers that we all have certain inalienable rights that our Constitution guarantees that nobody can take away. The founding fathers expressed these as "God given rights" and whether or not we believe in God, we can all celebrate the freedoms we have that are implied by it.

    Again, unless you can show what religious group or affiliation is named in the pledge, unless you can show what doctrine is being taught, or what faith is being advocated, there is no way to say that a phrase 'under God' is an establishment of religion.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    Allah is a specific god of people who embrace Islam. There is no other religion that worships Allah. God is as generic a name for a nameless diety as can probably be conceived, and is the historic God of the Declaration of Independence and the presumption of the founding fathers.

    Later lawmakers wisely saw your point as to whether a formal 'Pledge of Allegiance' is Constiutional if mandatory. So long as it is optional and voluntary, there is nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit it.

    It is no more unconstitutional than teaching rules for displaying, posting, and showing respect for the flag, properly posting the colors, singing the National Anthem, singing "My Country Tis of Thee', or reciting the Declaration of Independence.

    There is nothing wrong with teaching children that the colonies were settled by people seeking the right to worship as they pleased and many holidays that we celebrate today evolved from traditions that started with them and their progeny. Certainly a good teacher would explain to the children that the God of the pledge is symbolic of the belief of the founding fathers that we all have certain inalienable rights that our Constitution guarantees that nobody can take away. The founding fathers expressed these as "God given rights" and whether or not we believe in God, we can all celebrate the freedoms we have that are implied by it.

    Again, unless you can show what religious group or affiliation is named in the pledge, unless you can show what doctrine is being taught, or what faith is being advocated, there is no way to say that a phrase 'under God' is an establishment of religion.

    Of course its not an establishment OF A SPECIFIC Religion.
    Its a statement reguarding religion in general.
    And when someone does not state the pledge correctly, they are fiercely accused of being unpatriotic for not believing that our nation is "under god"
    Until you can prove that there IS a god... and that we are in fact "under" him... the statement should be removed from the pledge.

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