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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    This will be corrected soon, I'm not worried.

    Since the word "God" can mean a number of things, to a number of people, I don't find it religious in nature. I think if you made someone repeat the pledge, even though they didn't want to, this would be unconstitutional.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    That's my hope too: that all this will be corrected and set back on an even keel in this next decade. That will happen if this and the next President are successful in appointing strict constructionists to the Supreme Court so that rogue activist judges won't be able to run roughshod over the freedoms that we have, and that includes those judges that sit on the High Court.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    That's my hope too: that all this will be corrected and set back on an even keel in this next decade. That will happen if this and the next President are successful in appointing strict constructionists to the Supreme Court so that rogue activist judges won't be able to run roughshod over the freedoms that we have, and that includes those judges that sit on the High Court.
    You do realize that any strict constructionist worth his salt would decide this case in favor of the families suing to remove "under god," right?
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightatNYU
    You do realize that any strict constructionist worth his salt would decide this case in favor of the families suing to remove "under god," right?

    Errr, one only has to read the last line of the constitution to dismiss you outright, and certainly leave you wanting.

    Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Not to mention that God is mentioned in the Preamble of Constitutions of 49 of the 50 states and is mentioned specifically within the body of the Constitution of the other state as well.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightatNYU
    You do realize that any strict constructionist worth his salt would decide this case in favor of the families suing to remove "under god," right?
    Not necessarily. A strict constructionist would possibly believe the FA does not forbid an establishment of religion, it merely forbids Congress to legislate on the subject, reserving it entirely to the states under the Tenth Amendment.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that the first clause of the FA does not concern people or states, and their establishing a religion, but along with the 10th Amendment, secures the right of the states and the people to be free from the will of Congress respecting an establishment of religion.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that if any and all government action concerning religion, violates the FA, then so would the courts meddling in an area reserved for the states and people.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that the 14th Amendment tells state legislatures and officials not to make or enforce laws "which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It would therefore seem that they must not enforce, in fact they should argue against any federal interference which limits either the peoples, or states religious efforts.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that to end the argument, Congress could always regulate the federal courts under Article III Section 2.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    Not to mention that God is mentioned in the Preamble of Constitutions of 49 of the 50 states and is mentioned specifically within the body of the Constitution of the other state as well.
    And also not to mention that at least five states which ratified the Constitution had state churches. Their state legislatures believed the FA would protect state churches from a federal church.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deegan
    Errr, one only has to read the last line of the constitution to dismiss you outright, and certainly leave you wanting.

    Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

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    The exact same argument was made a few posts back, except regarding the liberty bell. I'll substitute the two in my reply.

    The fact that the Constitution has a religious reference (and an incredibly minor one) in the (non-binding, non-actuary) closing of it, does not necessarily mean that it is not proper for government to be endorsing of it in all cases. There are special exemptions for religion in the public arena that have been deemed constitutional by the courts.

    A) In cases of conflict between Establishment and Free Exercise
    B) Establishment and Exercises in legislative bodies
    C) Non-Devotional use of the Bible in the Public Schools
    D) Uniform tax exemptions incidentally available to religious institutions
    E) Religious considerations in public welfare programs
    F) Activities which, though religious in origin, have ceased to be religious in nature

    The last one there is what the Constitution's closing would fall under. It is also the same precedent that the defendents in the "under God" case will be claiming exonerates them, but the circumstances point pretty clearly toward the pledge not falling under this clause.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.
    Not necessarily. A strict constructionist would possibly believe the FA does not forbid an establishment of religion, it merely forbids Congress to legislate on the subject, reserving it entirely to the states under the Tenth Amendment.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that the first clause of the FA does not concern people or states, and their establishing a religion, but along with the 10th Amendment, secures the right of the states and the people to be free from the will of Congress respecting an establishment of religion.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that if any and all government action concerning religion, violates the FA, then so would the courts meddling in an area reserved for the states and people.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that the 14th Amendment tells state legislatures and officials not to make or enforce laws "which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It would therefore seem that they must not enforce, in fact they should argue against any federal interference which limits either the peoples, or states religious efforts.

    A strict constructionist would possibly believe that to end the argument, Congress could always regulate the federal courts under Article III Section 2.

    And a "strict constructionist" who believed even ONE of those things is so far outside the judicial mainstream that there would be no chance whatsoever of being confirmed. So I'm not really worried about that.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.
    And also not to mention that at least five states which ratified the Constitution had state churches. Their state legislatures believed the FA would protect state churches from a federal church.
    So you think there should be state churches?
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