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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightatNYU
    It doesn't matter one bit if the federal government, state government, or local school boards mandate it. That's what the 14th amendment is for.

    It's unconstitutional.
    Please explain why under the 14th it is unconstitutional under federal pretences?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Columbusite
    I'm only posting this because SKILMATIC is blatantly lying.



    See post #409



    See post #431



    See the US Constitution. God was left out of the Cosntitution intentionally, so in effect God was kept out of government.



    Already debunked this, if anyone cares to read the thread and make their own conclusion, please do. Btw, "debacle" is a noun, not a verb. I'm thinking this guy isn't even serious, but a mere troll.
    No how do you know it was left out intentionally? They may have not even cared and vice versa. We can only go by what it says not by what you think. And it says religion and its establishments not some being or spirit. It makes no provisions whether or not god should be in or not.

    And your right I am not even serious about this casue its a rediculous argument. Personally I could care less whether its in the pledge or not but thats not the point. I am trying to give level to the debate. Furthermore, its also rediculous because the fact is you arent madated by anyone to say it by verbatum so in actuality it really doesnt matter.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Ok then if congress cannot make no law concerning it then they didnt. Becasue under God has nothing to do with establishments of religion. God is a spirit not a religion. Do you at least understand that?
    I haven't said otherwise, so you are creating arguments and then arguing them with yourself. And yes I understand that as well as I understand you and your type.


    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    And an establishment is formerly and mostly known as a place. Please show me otherwise. And I will be more abliged to argue with you on this point.

    I love the arguments so keep them coming.
    You are really too easy, perhaps that's why you love making up things to argue. You learned to diagram a sentence yesterday, perhaps dictionary usage in the near future. In case you are curiuous, I avoid belittling people unless and until they make a habit of doing so to others.

    http://education.yahoo.com/reference.../establishment
    the first two definitions given
    es•tab•lish•ment (-stblsh-mnt) KEY

    NOUN:

    1. a. The act of establishing.
    b. The condition or fact of being established.
    2. Something established, as:
    a.An arranged order or system, especially a legal code.
    b. A permanent civil, political, or military organization.
    c. An established church.
    d. A place of residence or business with its possessions and staff.
    e. A public or private institution, such as a hospital or school.
    3. often Establishment An established social order, as:
    a. A group of people holding most of the power and influence in a government or society. Often used with the.
    b. A controlling group in a given field of activity. Often used with the.


    Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=establishment

    es•tab•lish•ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-stblsh-mnt)
    n.

    1 a. The act of establishing.
    b. The condition or fact of being established.
    2 Something established, as:
    a. An arranged order or system, especially a legal code.
    b. A permanent civil, political, or military organization.
    c. An established church.
    d. A place of residence or business with its possessions and staff.
    e. A public or private institution, such as a hospital or school.
    3. often Establishment An established social order, as:
    a. A group of people holding most of the power and influence in a government or society. Often used with the.
    b. A controlling group in a given field of activity. Often used with the.


    OK, I've shown you otherwise, now go ahead and feel "abliged" to argue.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    I haven't said otherwise, so you are creating arguments and then arguing them with yourself. And yes I understand that as well as I understand you and your type.
    Ok???? My type??? I love the humor keep it coming. I love a good laugh.

    You are really too easy, perhaps that's why you love making up things to argue. You learned to diagram a sentence yesterday, perhaps dictionary usage in the near future. In case you are curiuous, I avoid belittling people unless and until they make a habit of doing so to others.
    Thats funny, when did I belittle anyone? If ou call saying facts to people belittling then I am the biggest belittler in the world. HAHAHAHAHA

    NOUN:

    1. a. The act of establishing.
    b. The condition or fact of being established.
    2. Something established, as:
    a.An arranged order or system, especially a legal code.
    b. A permanent civil, political, or military organization.
    c. An established church.
    d. A place of residence or business with its possessions and staff.
    e. A public or private institution, such as a hospital or school.
    3. often Establishment An established social order, as:
    a. A group of people holding most of the power and influence in a government or society. Often used with the.
    b. A controlling group in a given field of activity. Often used with the.


    Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=establishment

    es•tab•lish•ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-stblsh-mnt)
    n.

    1 a. The act of establishing.
    b. The condition or fact of being established.
    2 Something established, as:
    a. An arranged order or system, especially a legal code.
    b. A permanent civil, political, or military organization.
    c. An established church.
    d. A place of residence or business with its possessions and staff.
    e. A public or private institution, such as a hospital or school.
    3. often Establishment An established social order, as:
    a. A group of people holding most of the power and influence in a government or society. Often used with the.
    b. A controlling group in a given field of activity. Often used with the.


    OK, I've shown you otherwise, now go ahead and feel "abliged" to argue.
    Actually if you read early on in the thread someone beat you to this and I have already argued on this matter so please eel free to read back on this. I thank you for your rebuttle(a little late)but its the thought that counts

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Ok???? My type??? I love the humor keep it coming. I love a good laugh.
    Don't worry, I will!

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Thats funny, when did I belittle anyone? If ou call saying facts to people belittling then I am the biggest belittler in the world. HAHAHAHAHA
    Here are three thrown at me, and I am sure there is no need to post any thrown at others.

    "Please learn proper English gentlemen it will alleviate all this meaningless argument."

    "Do you even know how to disect a sentence?"

    "Do you at least understand that?"


    All these from one who is trying to impress us with his gramatical bona fides, which he actually lacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Actually if you read early on in the thread someone beat you to this and I have already argued on this matter so please eel free to read back on this. I thank you for your rebuttle(a little late)but its the thought that counts
    I had previously read your post, and it lacks any cohesion to the facts or your previous posts. The definition you chose to use (An established church), is not indicative of a place or location as you previously asserted. Examples of established churches within the context of the definition and the FA are the Catholic Church, the Baptist Church, or the Methodist Church, not the Riley Street Baptist Church, or the Kelvin Street Methodist Church.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Here are three thrown at me, and I am sure there is no need to post any thrown at others.

    "Please learn proper English gentlemen it will alleviate all this meaningless argument."

    "Do you even know how to disect a sentence?"

    "Do you at least understand that?"

    All these from one who is trying to impress us with his gramatical bona fides, which he actually lacks.
    Lol, well like I said they were facts.

    I had previously read your post, and it lacks any cohesion to the facts or your previous posts. The definition you chose to use (An established church), is not indicative of a place or location as you previously asserted. Examples of established churches within the context of the definition and the FA are the Catholic Church, the Baptist Church, or the Methodist Church, not the Riley Street Baptist Church, or the Kelvin Street Methodist Church.
    Well again thats your opinion. And it would be better if you would actually read my posts instead of assuming. Because if you would have read them you would have known that the word establishment in its context in the constitution is refered to as a religious establishment which in the dictionary can only have one meaning which is place or doctrine. Now God isnt either one is He? Mabe in your opinion but in His word he defines Himself as a spirit that is all knowing and is all powerful, not a doctrine or a place.

    Now let me ask you something. Is God IYO a place, doctrine, person, or spirit?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Lol, well like I said they were facts.
    Your first comment is a suggestive opinion. One which is of no factual value as it contains no facts, and it's perceived intent was not an introduction of any facts, but rather to belittle.

    Questions sometimes may sometimes contain facts, but in the two questions you asked, are no facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Well again thats your opinion. And it would be better if you would actually read my posts instead of assuming. Because if you would have read them you would have known that the word establishment in its context in the constitution is referred to as a religious establishment which in the dictionary can only have one meaning which is place or doctrine. Now God isn't either one is He? Mabe in your opinion but in His word he defines Himself as a spirit that is all knowing and is all powerful, not a doctrine or a place.
    What assumption are you referring to?

    Look at it this way. If contrary to the FA, Congress passed a bill, and it became law, that created the church of doobie, and all would worship doobie, they would have established a religion, without ever mentioning a place. They could also build places, or use existing places, but no place was originally established, a religion was.

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Now let me ask you something. Is God IYO a place, doctrine, person, or spirit?
    My opinion of what God is, is not relevant to the discussion of what was intended by the framers of the FA.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    I don't think school kids should be made to pledge allegiance to the state. School kids should be taught to think for themselves rather than be indoctrinated and brainwashed in our schools. Nobody should pledge themselves to a state. Everybody should think for themselves and be their own person. The state does not give any allegiance to you, the individual.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by TimmyBoy
    I don't think school kids should be made to pledge allegiance to the state. School kids should be taught to think for themselves rather than be indoctrinated and brainwashed in our schools. Nobody should pledge themselves to a state. Everybody should think for themselves and be their own person. The state does not give any allegiance to you, the individual.
    I agree with that.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Your first comment is a suggestive opinion. One which is of no factual value as it contains no facts, and it's perceived intent was not an introduction of any facts, but rather to belittle.

    Questions sometimes may sometimes contain facts, but in the two questions you asked, are no facts.
    No it wasnt. EVerytime I had included facts they couldnt understand them so which is true to those statements. The when I dissected the sentence in the constitution for them they still couldnt get it so again my comments were facts. In nowhere in the constitution does it refer to God so stop trying to argue that it does becasue its serioualy getting rediculous. I already had this argument about 20times in this thread. Just read it.

    What assumption are you referring to?
    Nevermind dude. You are making me laugh hysterically. I like that.

    Look at it this way. If contrary to the FA, Congress passed a bill, and it became law, that created the church of doobie, and all would worship doobie, they would have established a religion, without ever mentioning a place. They could also build places, or use existing places, but no place was originally established, a religion was.
    What in the sam hill are you talking about? Is this have to do with anything of what we are talking about? The only doobie I know is a joint or the band back in the 70's. Mabe if you could explain this analogy better?
    Honestly


    My opinion of what God is, is not relevant to the discussion of what was intended by the framers of the FA.
    Right and neither is your interpretation either. And vice versa. What really matters is what the majority of people want. We are the governemnt not the politiicans(well at least thats how it should be and the fore fathers wanted that as well). If the majority of the American people want the pledge to be mandatory with the phrase then it will be constitutional casue they made it constitutional and vice versa. I am just arguing with what the majority will say. And in a democracy thats all that matters. I dont quite think the majority is on your side other than a handful of people and the ACLU of course.

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