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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Again you are completely off. I know what endorsing and enforcing means. However, if congress endorsed originally the phrase in the pledge and they dont enforce it then they really didnt endorse it now did they? Besides the pledge itself wasnt even endorsed let alone have it be enforced. Its just like the congress endorsed the 10commandments to be present in courtrooms. Are ou going to whine about that too becasue they are there but ypu also have the right to look away. Just like you do here you have the right to not say the phrase which mkes it very constitutional. However, when they make you say the phrase then thats when it gets unconstitutional. Please understand simple things
    No, you can't possibly understand simple things. Look how badly you're tripping over the concept of "endorsement".

    I can give my whole hearted endorsement of a new nuclear power plant that'll be built in your backyard and I don't have to spend a dime or call a politician to do so.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Again you are completely off. I know what endorsing and enforcing means. However, if congress endorsed originally the phrase in the pledge and they dont enforce it then they really didnt endorse it now did they? Besides the pledge itself wasnt even endorsed let alone have it be enforced. Its just like the congress endorsed the 10commandments to be present in courtrooms. Are ou going to whine about that too becasue they are there but ypu also have the right to look away. Just like you do here you have the right to not say the phrase which mkes it very constitutional. However, when they make you say the phrase then thats when it gets unconstitutional. Please understand simple things
    No, you don't know the difference between "endorse" and "enforce" otherwise you wouldn't have intertwined their meanings. "Endorse" like "approval" does not require enforcement. By endorsing something you are showing that you approve of that something. Show me where endorsing something means having to push it onto other people. You first used it incorrectly when you said "the pledge itself wasn't even endorsed". Congress signed the bill to add those two words into law and you are telling me that isn't endorsement of the phrase? You used the word correctly when you said that "congress endorsed the 10commandments" (when did that happen again?), so I'll give you that. Yes, I've already talked about the 10 commandments before and how unless they are displayed properly (with other relevant religious and secular documents) they have no place in a courthouse. I do understand the difference between "endorse" and "enforce", which is rather simple if you ask me.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    why does it matter if under god is in there or not. not a big deal.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by thapcballa
    why does it matter if under god is in there or not. not a big deal.

    Thank you. It all comes down to this. Does it really hurt you that bad? If it does you people need to grow some balls and have them drop. Because this whining is getting retarded. Again if they dont enforce it then they really didnt endorse it. Thats what it comes down to. Sure they physically endorsed it in the beginning but if they dont even inforce what they endorse then its meaningless if you ask me. So whats the big deal then? If its not a big deal to government then why is it a big deal to you?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Thank you. It all comes down to this. Does it really hurt you that bad?
    Yeah, it does. It's an affront to everyone that doesn't have their own personal sky demon to worship. It's a lie. Since I don't wish to raise my kids to believe in lies, it harms them to force them to babble semi-religious nonsense first thing in the morning at school.

    If you wish to lie to your kids and tell them about magical fairies that drown the world, go ahead. Why do you need the government to tell your lies? It's my government, too.

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    rolleyes Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Columbusite
    It's unconstitutional, sorry. Government can't and shouldn't endorse religion. Thank you, come again.
    I agree 100% that Government and Religion should never mix, and I am definitely a christian.

    Yet the Term God, is a traditional generic term. People used the word God, in ancient Eqypt, greece, America, and china etc.etc etc. The word God, has been around for many thousands of years before Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other modern religion was founded or even thought of. Now days, many seem to think of the word God as Biblical only. When I pray, I am speaking to the Biblical God, yet People all over the world, folk pray each day to other Gods from other traditions. Whether they are riight or wrong is not part of this discussion. This is not a discussion of whether there is or is not a God. It is a discussion of whether the Term God should be on our money or in our pledge of allegiance.

    The general conception of God may be said to be that of an infinite being (often a personality but not necessarily anthropomorphic).

    In God We Trust , on paper money, or Under God, in the pledge, is not asking for, or even stating a religious presence. It is a generic traditional term. For the life of me, I cannot understand why it would matter to anyone.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Yeah, it does. It's an affront to everyone that doesn't have their own personal sky demon to worship. It's a lie. Since I don't wish to raise my kids to believe in lies, it harms them to force them to babble semi-religious nonsense first thing in the morning at school.

    If you wish to lie to your kids and tell them about magical fairies that drown the world, go ahead. Why do you need the government to tell your lies? It's my government, too.
    Sky demon? LOL ok c'mon now you are being over zealous about this. This is rediculous. And its no wander why liberalism is a mental disorder. Just dont say it without the phrase simple as that end of discussion. Its not going to hurt you anyway unless you let it. Theres no way if you hear that phrse that its literally going to hurt you physically or mentally. So if it doesnt do this then its irrelevant.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Sky demon? LOL ok c'mon now you are being over zealous about this. This is rediculous. And its no wander why liberalism is a mental disorder. Just dont say it without the phrase simple as that end of discussion. Its not going to hurt you anyway unless you let it. Theres no way if you hear that phrse that its literally going to hurt you physically or mentally. So if it doesnt do this then its irrelevant.
    So if it was "under no God" you wouldn't have a problem with it?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Columbusite
    So if it was "under no God" you wouldn't have a problem with it?
    Of course I wouldnt. I would just say it "under God". I have every right to say the pledge how I please. I have the freedom of speech. So your dam right I have no problem.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Furthermore, you could just say it without the whole phrase. Its totally up to you. Its when the gov starts enforcing our way of speech is when it becomes unconstitutional. I have no problem in a room full of people saying watever they beleive in that portion of the speech. Some can say allah, God, Son god, Buddha, or whatever. You get the picture.

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