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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Its like when a athiest sees a church. Is the athiest going to get all hissy fitted casue he sees a church and becasue he sees one it offends him? No that would be rediculous. And if that was the case we would have to do away with all churches and other religious things. The point is its rediculous to say that.

    And its the same instance on the pledge. No one makes you say the pledge nor does anyone make you watch a cross or look at a church.
    A church is a private organization on private property. The government is not imposing it on anyone in this case. There is no law involved.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    It is undeniably the intent of the founding fathers NOT to abolish all things religious from all things public, but to protect the states from a federal religion.

    Besides, who needs it to not be there? No one is even affected. We were founded by Christians. Get over it.

    You can't ask the rest of the world to bend over for your pathetic oversensitivity.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Awwe but would you say that the person who wrote the pledge is a private person and has private ideas and beleifs? Just like anyone else? The point I am trying to make is yes its on private property but the point is the same. You are not made to recite the pledge just like you arent made to look at churches. Now if gov enforced you to recite it then that would be different dont you think?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    The government is not imposing it on anyone in this case
    The gov never imposed anything for you to recite the pledge. Show me they have imposed it?

    It is undeniably the intent of the founding fathers NOT to abolish all things religious from all things public, but to protect the states from a federal religion.

    Besides, who needs it to not be there? No one is even affected. We were founded by Christians. Get over it.

    You can't ask the rest of the world to bend over for your pathetic oversensitivity.

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    Exactly

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Actually 'under god' wasn't originally in the pledge it was added during the cold war under, I believe Eisenhower, to use as a form of soft power against the athiest Soviets. But still I see no problem in it being in the pledge due to the fact that it doesn't specify which god we're under, that and where would it all end? With taking 'in god we trust' off of money or maybe not allowing kids to sing christmas songs on christmas, or even with keeping the basis for common law (the ten commandments for those of you not planning on going to law school) out of courtrooms, . . . wait a minute let me back up here for a sec, umm it looks as though the process has already begun.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub
    It is undeniably the intent of the founding fathers NOT to abolish all things religious from all things public, but to protect the states from a federal religion.

    Besides, who needs it to not be there? No one is even affected. We were founded by Christians. Get over it.

    You can't ask the rest of the world to bend over for your pathetic oversensitivity.

    Great bumper sticker: "Protect the easily offended..Ban everything."
    If we were founded by Christians then why was it omitted from our Constitution? It is not possible for anyone living today to know what anyone believed who lived 200 years ago. To think otherwise is simply arrogant. We can know for sure that we were founded on the Constitution, not any religion.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Awwe but would you say that the person who wrote the pledge is a private person and has private ideas and beleifs? Just like anyone else? The point I am trying to make is yes its on private property but the point is the same. You are not made to recite the pledge just like you arent made to look at churches. Now if gov enforced you to recite it then that would be different dont you think?
    Yes, the person who wrote it is a private person with private ideas. The act of writing the Pledge is not being infringed upon. Our Constitution limits the government, not the people it governs. But when that pledge becomes a law from the government, it then becomes unconstitutional.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Yes, the person who wrote it is a private person with private ideas. The act of writing the Pledge is not being infringed upon. Our Constitution limits the government, not the people it governs. But when that pledge becomes a law from the government, it then becomes unconstitutional
    Ok I agree. So then would you say that its not unconstitutional for having god in the pleadge? At least thats what you said in that post. Just want to make sure.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    The gov never imposed anything for you to recite the pledge. Show me they have imposed it?



    Exactly
    There are laws that require the recitation of the Pledge in pubic school. That is why these cases are being presented to courts. With them are means to not recite it, but children in schools are a captive audience. To not recite it would mean branding themselves an outsider, who would then be open to ridicule and harm (mental in most cases, physical and authoritative in some). This is coercion. The students are pressured into reciting it to fit in. A student in Cincinnati was removed from class for refusing to recite the Pledge with "under god" in it. This student missed valuable class time because of it and the teacher has labeled him an outsider.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Ok I agree. So then would you say that its not unconstitutional for having god in the pleadge? At least thats what you said in that post. Just want to make sure.
    I think we are still in disagreement. The point I am trying to make is that the Pledge itself is not unconstitutional. The law that makes it officially this country's pledge is unconstitutional. The laws that require it to be recited by a captive audience is unconstitutional. If a government passes a law that inserts "under god" in the Pledge, then they are establishing this country as a country "under god". This is passing a law that respects the establishment of religion. This is clearly unconstitutional.
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