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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    When you can read english let me know so we can start having a debate.
    OK, I'm ready. Now, can you write in English?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    What the court has decided, that SAME COURT won't re-examine. That certainly does not mean another court won't hear an identical case and it absolutely does not mean that what a District Judge in California decides is binding on a court in New Mexico. There are principles of precedence, and many judges use those as a deciding factor, but in no point of law is a precedence binding.

    There is no law of the land that forbids the use of "under God" as it is used in the pledge, it violates nobody's rights to privacy, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, their livelihood, or conjugal privileges. The phrase is harmless, historical, traditional, cultural, and constitutional.
    So, can I assume by your response that you did not read the opinion by the judge?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    OK, I'm ready. Now, can you write in English?
    I thought you liked reading in hyroglyphics? Well at least thats what I thought you prefered. But if you want I will write in English. Hows that so far? Or mabe you want me to incl. websters definitions as well?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    I thought you liked reading in hyroglyphics? Well at least thats what I thought you prefered. But if you want I will write in English. Hows that so far? Or mabe you want me to incl. websters definitions as well?
    I'd like that. If you wouldn't mind. For each word please.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by shuamort
    So, can I assume by your response that you did not read the opinion by the judge?
    I certainly did, and in my never-to-be-considered-humble opinion, the man has a few screws loose.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    Sorry Steen. I skipped nothing, but your argument is simply illogical based on the facts that you have thus far ignored and the unverifiable and unsubstantiated points you have presented as facts. Saying that something is unconstitutional does not make it so unless there is a credible basis, and you have not shown one. Saying that your rights as an athiest (or whatever) are being violated does not make it so when you have not been able to show how any inalienable or legal right of any athiest has been violated. Further you have not shown how your not getting your preference in this matter is more unconstitutional than people of faith not getting their preference in this matter.

    And again the argument has become to circular to be productive, and again I will wait until somebody provides a fresh perspective.
    I did address this, you chose to ignore it. See post #39 in this thread.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    I'd like that. If you wouldn't mind. For each word please.
    Sure no problem. Anything for you babe.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    In this last case it was a District Court restricted to its own jurisdiction. Its jurisdiction does not extend to anybody else's jurisdiction. The ruling will almost certainly be kicked up to higher courts and eventually the Supreme Court who hopefully will decide the issue once and for all. The phrase is not unconsitutional. It infringes on nobody's rights. It is not an establishment of religion. To refuse the phrase does in fact prohibit the constitutionally guaranteed right to the free exercise of religion.

    Let's look at this business of rights.

    To infringe on your rights:

    1) It would have to be mandatory for citizens to say the phrase 'under God'. It isn't.

    2) The phrase 'under God' would have to favor a particular understanding or interpretation of a specific diety. It doesn't.

    3) The phrase 'under God' would have to be coercive or manipulative in nature offering reward or benefit for saying it or punishment or loss of benefit by refusal to say it. Neither condition exists.

    4) The phrase would have to impact on your property, or

    5) The phrase would have to impact on your ability to earn a living, or

    6) The phrase would have to prevent your pursuit of happiness, or

    7) The phrase would have to put you or yours in physical danger, or

    8) The phrase would have to restrict a constitutional freedom that you possess.

    Unless you can show reasonably and conclusively that any of these conditions exist as a result of the phrase 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance, it is not unconstitutional for the phrase to be there.
    Wrong. When it comes to religion, the Supreme Court has set up The Lemon Test (Lemon vs. Kurtzman). All religious cases before the court must pass all the following conditions:

    1.The government's action must have a legitimate secular purpose;
    2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion; and
    3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive entanglement" of the government and religion.

    "Under god" in the pledge violates all these conditions.

    Goes to show how much you know about our legal system.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by alex
    I did address this, you chose to ignore it. See post #39 in this thread.
    Actually I think it was post #38. But there, Alex, you just stated in a different way that the Pledge is unconstitutional without explaining HOW. That's something all you anti-Pledge-as-it-is people keep doing--you restate, repeat, reword, reemphasize that it is not constitutional but you can provide no law, no statute, not even a logical reason for why it is not. Not one of you has been able to state a single instance of how you are personally or materially injured, compromised, coerced, persuaded, or threatened by those two little words 'under God'. Not one of you can provide a single definition of what those two words mean that is not purely speculation on your part.

    The words are not an establishment of religion. They are cultural, historical, traditional or any of a dozen other adjectives, but they are not required of any citizen nor is there any reward or punishment for saying or not saying them.

    The words are not unconstitutional.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Wrong. When it comes to religion, the Supreme Court has set up The Lemon Test (Lemon vs. Kurtzman). All religious cases before the court must pass all the following conditions:

    1.The government's action must have a legitimate secular purpose;
    2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion; and
    3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive entanglement" of the government and religion.

    "Under god" in the pledge violates all these conditions.

    Goes to show how much you know about our legal system.
    This has nothing to do with a pledge that isnt made to be recited. I am sorry but its not unconstitutional if its not made to be recited. All of you who oppose this is wrong. If it werent dont you think it wouldve changed already? But no tonly 4 schools arent made to say under god.

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