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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    Well and activist liberal judge from the 9th circuit court in San Francisco has struck again today striking the word "Under God" from the Pledge of Alegiance....

    It will go to the SCOTUS and be struck down but what are your thoughts?
    Wasn't there to begin with, shouldn't be there now. Lots of citizens do not believe in the Judeo/Christian god so that entity should not be part of our national pledge which is for ALL citizens. Religious faith should not be a part of it.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    This country interprets the laws and the founding of it by what the fathers would have wanted. The fathers would have wanted this country to be founded on godly principles and its evident of that in the wat they created our laws and the constitution.

    Now to say that our founding fathers didnt want god to be the foundation and the fore front of this country is rediculous. Yes some didnt have a fnd belief like other fathers did but they understood that it was an important issue to like 99% of americans at that time casue religion was rampent. Remember thats why this country was founded and created becasue of freedom of religion.

    NOW freedom of religion doesnt entail one little exerpt in the pledge to this country. It entails your very freedoms of beleif and express of beleif. And the founding fathers beleived that this country needed a law and a morality to stand upon and it was on godly principles.
    Prove this. Good luck.

    "The fathers would have wanted this country to be founded on godly principles and its evident of that in the wat they created our laws and the constitution. "

    Now you are just making things up. Where in our Constitution are "godly principles"?
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    I understand this but the talking points doesnt entail the pledge it entails freedom of religion.

    The present people who were making the pledge understood that if the fathers were to make one they definitely wouldve shown some acclamation to god.
    The talking point does not entail The Pledge? Have you read the title of this thread? Your posts seem to just throw out irrational points with no basis. If the founding fathers wanted to make some acclamation to a god, then why write the Constitution without it? Why create the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment?
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mixed View
    I think it should be in there because it is a part of our history. Plus, if you are not a Christian I think "under god" is speaking of a higher power and not the Christian God.
    Slavery is a part of our history as well. Bad argument.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Where in our Constitution are "godly principles"?
    You cant just look at one piece of literature and conclude anything you must look at the whole picture. The fact is up and down the billl of rights and the ammendments were all provinged by Gods devine human rights.


    Religion did not come first.
    Your right but God did.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    The talking point does not entail The Pledge? Have you read the title of this thread? Your posts seem to just throw out irrational points with no basis. If the founding fathers wanted to make some acclamation to a god, then why write the Constitution without it? Why create the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment?
    Look you are misconstuing what I am saying. Of course you are entitled to your freedom of beleif or whatever you beleive. But the fact of the matter to say that this countries foundations werent founded under godly(not religion)principles is absurd. And to say its constitutional for the pledge to not have god in it is actually unconstitutional casue its the freedoms of the persons religion who wrote it who you will infringe upon. Does this make any sense?

    If other people who dont agree that there is a god then they dont have to listen to it its just that simple. Its just like mt soledad. If they dont want to se the crosss then dont look at the mountain.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    You cant just look at one piece of literature and conclude anything you must look at the whole picture. The fact is up and down the billl of rights and the ammendments were all provinged by Gods devine human rights.




    Your right but God did.
    Making up more points. Prove this, any of it.

    Here is the Bill of Rights:
    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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    Amendment II
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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    Amendment III
    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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    Amendment IV
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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    Amendment V
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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    Amendment VI
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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    Amendment VIII
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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    Amendment IX
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    Where is there any mention of a god's divine human rights?
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Its like when a athiest sees a church. Is the athiest going to get all hissy fitted casue he sees a church and becasue he sees one it offends him? No that would be rediculous. And if that was the case we would have to do away with all churches and other religious things. The point is its rediculous to say that.

    And its the same instance on the pledge. No one makes you say the pledge nor does anyone make you watch a cross or look at a church.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    You know?

    I honestly don't think it makes a difference whether its there or not

    "One Nation, Under God, Indivisible" or "One Nation, Indivisble" works for me. I think its more a waste of valuable Court time to rule on something that amounts ultimately to two words in the mountain of other more important words that we need to address in this day and age.

    Our government was founded by people who believe in One god, the majority of americans believe in that god and it was these god believing people who had the wisdom to say you don't have to believe in my one god in first place. So why scrutinize an "american" tradition that although may contain "words" that reflect a certain religious belief, embody an "idea" that binds us together as americans.

    I think its quite petty.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Look you are misconstuing what I am saying. Of course you are entitled to your freedom of beleif or whatever you beleive. But the fact of the matter to say that this countries foundations werent founded under godly(not religion)principles is absurd. And to say its constitutional for the pledge to not have god in it is actually unconstitutional casue its the freedoms of the persons religion who wrote it who you will infringe upon. Does this make any sense?

    If other people who dont agree that there is a god then they dont have to listen to it its just that simple. Its just like mt soledad. If they dont want to se the crosss then dont look at the mountain.
    Prove that this country was founded under godly principles.

    The act of writing the pledge is not being interfered with so the author is not having their freedom infringed upon. The act of Congress passing a law making the Pledge the official pledge of this country is unconstitutional as clearly expressed in our First Amendment. Making it mandatory for recitation is also unconstitutional as clearly stated in the same amendment.
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