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    Angry Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    Well and activist liberal judge from the 9th circuit court in San Francisco has struck again today striking the word "Under God" from the Pledge of Alegiance....

    It will go to the SCOTUS and be struck down but what are your thoughts?
    I was a kid in School when they added Under God to the Pledge. that was about 1949, I think. We used to start off each day in school saying the pledge of allegiance. We were very patriotic during those dark days during and following WW2.

    I think it is ok to have Under God in the Pledge of allegiance. People are pledging there allegiance to the United States, not to God, with this pledge.

    If they they tried to add, I pledge allegiance to George Bush and the AntiAmerican coalition that is running this country, I would start looking to purchase an AK-47, and a lot of ammo to fight the new revolution, and over throw the new King George. I would be prepared to die to save America.

    why does the NeoRight that has usurped the great name of Republican Party
    Hate the poor Americans so much.

    Bush is the truly the greatest liar in our history. to believe Bush is truly to believe Satan.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    Well, yes, I agree with that EXCEPT. . .

    I am sick and tired of a handful of militant anti-religion types chipping away at our constitutional rights. Piece by piece, little by little, they get their judges to rule that you can't have this image here....you can't sing that song there....you can't have a prayer for the safety and good sportsmanship of the football team....you can't celebrate the origins of the Christmas celebration in public....etc. etc. etc. None of these things took anything away from the anti-religious types, but they sure as heck are taking rights and enjoyment away from the 90+% of Americans who had no problem with them.

    They do it little by little and we give in because it doesn't seem important to make a big deal out of something so small. And one day we'll wake up and realize we've lost something huge.

    At some point we have to put on the brakes and say enough.
    What Constitutional rights are being chipped away at for religious people? None. Atheist's rights are though. No one is removing your right to be religious but an Atheist is declared a second-class citizen because the national pledge states "under god." You have every right to be religious without government interference. Atheists deserve that same right.

    People have the right to be as religious as they want to be. The government does not. It must remain nuetral in this matter. Religious people are not higher citizens than non-religious people.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer
    I was a kid in School when they added Under God to the Pledge. that was about 1949, I think. We used to start off each day in school saying the pledge of allegiance. We were very patriotic during those dark days during and following WW2.

    I think it is ok to have Under God in the Pledge of allegiance. People are pledging there allegiance to the United States, not to God, with this pledge.

    If they they tried to add, I pledge allegiance to George Bush and the AntiAmerican coalition that is running this country, I would start looking to purchase an AK-47, and a lot of ammo to fight the new revolution, and over throw the new King George. I would be prepared to die to save America.

    why does the NeoRight that has usurped the great name of Republican Party
    Hate the poor Americans so much.

    Bush is the truly the greatest liar in our history. to believe Bush is truly to believe Satan.
    Hey look kids!

    Another thread that has nothing to do with Bush, yet some people can't keep their composure and spit out the venom anyway...

    What will you wear to the wedding?
    Bush sucks!
    Who won the game today?
    Bush sucks!
    Why are you still wearing diapers?
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    When others do, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you to beat them back. The law protects us both equally.



    No, religion was not kept out of government. Then and now, the government has had chaplains to lead prayers at the beginning of each day the legislature is in session and to provide pastoral counseling for individual legislators. (These chaplains make 6 figures by the way.) There is a world of difference beween government officials or staff being religious and the government requiring others to be religious or dictating how religion is or is not to be expressed.




    I have not asked for government sponsored religion in any form. I am adamently opposed to government sponsored religion.

    I am also adamently opposed to government sponsored athiesm.

    I am for government allowing a community to be who and what it is so long as it does not infringe on the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of others.
    The Constitutionally guaranteed rights of Americans is to be free of government sponsored religion, in any form.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    I am also adamently opposed to government sponsored athiesm.
    Sounds as though you equate the meanings of the words “secular” and “atheist”, and something being secular suggests some kind of endorsement of atheism. I bet when you drive secular nails with a secular hammer, or eat a secular steak, there’s no thought of the endorsement. What is it about government being secular that bothers the Righteous Right?

    If that mention of tax paid chaplains is not a suggestion that ministers in all churches, temples, mosques, etc. also be tax supported, explain how these legislators differ from us in such a way that we pay their chaplains.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by marchare
    The “majority will” has no power over individual liberty.
    The majority will should prevail when individual liberties are not at stake however, and the phrase 'under God' interferes with nobody's individual liberties.

    Six figures! And you insist that I pay for this through taxes! I’m writing my congressperson.
    Try to keep up, or perhaps a remedial reading class might help. I did not insist on anything.

    Show me how separation of church and state is an endorsment of atheism.
    It isn't, nor did I say anything like that. Show me where the Constitution says there shall be separation of church and state.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Columbusite
    The chaiplans shouldn't be there, but they are (even before we were the USA). I'm not paying my tax dollars for them to have chaplains and pray, they are there to represent everyone. Even though this could probably be easily found to be unconstitutional, it is tradition and would be very difficult to stop.
    Personally I think those legislators who want services of a chaplain should hire one out of pocket; or I can't imagine that there aren't plenty of clergy types all over Washington who wouldn't be thrilled to come to the chamber and give the opening prayer on a volunteer basis. Or they could take turns themselves. I agree that the chaplain, paid for with taxpayer money, is out of line.

    We do have total separation, but it obviously isn't always adhered to. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that we shouldn't try to attain it. It's right there in the Constitution (what isn't there is also as important). I oppose goverment siding with religion or non-religion, which is why I'm against having that phrase in the pledge (sides with religion). Most importantly is that it violates the Constitution.
    No, I don't think the Constitution either says nor implies that there is total separation. What is says is that government shall not set up its own religion, it shall not require religion, and it shall not interfere with religion. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that bans religion in government or anywhere else, however. Such a notion is strictly an invention of modern judges.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by alex
    What Constitutional rights are being chipped away at for religious people? None. Atheist's rights are though. No one is removing your right to be religious but an Atheist is declared a second-class citizen because the national pledge states "under god." You have every right to be religious without government interference. Atheists deserve that same right.

    People have the right to be as religious as they want to be. The government does not. It must remain nuetral in this matter. Religious people are not higher citizens than non-religious people.
    No, the athiest loses nothing by the phrase 'under God' being in the prayer. The person of faith gains nothing by it. The phrase does not infringe on anybody's inalienable or legal rights to anything. Thus, is is purely a matter of preference, and when no inalienable or legal rights are involved, the majority should prevail. At such time as the majority does not want the phrase in the Pledge, it will be gone. It's a simple as that.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    Several have said that religion should be practiced in private and not 'imposed' on others. If you are in that camp, all you have to do is say so.
    What I wrote was that religion should not be practiced by the government. I believe anyone can express their personal religious beliefs anytime they like, but they can't do it with the support of the government.

    Church sponsored picnic to celebrate Xmas, sure. Government sponsored picnic to celebrate Xmas? That would be a no-no.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs
    What I wrote was that religion should not be practiced by the government. I believe anyone can express their personal religious beliefs anytime they like, but they can't do it with the support of the government.

    Church sponsored picnic to celebrate Xmas, sure. Government sponsored picnic to celebrate Xmas? That would be a no-no.
    I will concede that the line has to be drawn carefully here. Government does give most employees Sundays off and are far more likely to give Sundays off more than any other day of the week. Why? Because traditionally, Sunday is the Christian Sabbath or day of worship. Government also traditionally closes on Christmas and Thanksgiving, also traditionally Christian holidays. Is this improper? Not really because it is out of respect for the custom and traditions of the vast majority of the American people more than any intent of government to favor Christianity. All people of other faiths or no faiths also benefit from these automatic holidays, so nobody is favored over anybody else.

    But allowing a Christmas party for government employees while private sector employees are alllowing or even planning Christmas parties for their employees? What is the harm? Give the Jews the day off for Yom Kippor or other high holy days. Who gets hurt so long as the work gets done?

    Again so long as nobody's legal or inalienable rights are violated, and all benefit equally from the policies, even policies built around religion do not violate the Constitution.

    At such time as a majority of Americans are non-Christian or want different policies than those that exist, I would imagine there will be substantial changes. Until then, just a little tolerance and understanding ensures that we can all get along and everything will run quite seamlessly with no inconvenience or discomfort to anybody.
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