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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by t125eagle
    wouldn't taking "UnderGod" out of the pledge of allegiance, doesn't that violate my rights as a Christian? I mean, if you are an atheist, then don't say it. If you are Islamic then put in Allah. But don't take it away. It's like, the more you give atheists, the more they want. first the pledge, then the Moses 12 laws. what next? no church meetings on wendsdays?
    Now you are just going to extremes. What makes you a higher class citizen that the pledge of our country should include your religion? I am just as American as you are. It does not violate your rights as a Christian because you have the right to profess your faith in any private matter. To be told that our nation is a nation under a god when I do not believe in such myths is a violation of my freedom from religion. Your freedom of religion is not being violated if it was removed. The Pledge is for the general public, therefore it must remain nuetral in religious matters. Our country is too diverse in religions and lack of religions. Would you be alright with the pledge stating "one nation, under caucasians"? What about when non-religious persons are the majority in this country? Would you be alright with "one nation, under no god"? I will not violate your Christian rights, do not violate my Atheist rights. You are not any better than any other person because of your religion.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    If the Pledge stated: "......,under the God of Isaac, Jacob, and Abraham,. . ." or "The all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipresent God. . ." or "The Creator God of all ages" or "the one and only God", etc., that would be one thing. That would in fact be acknowledging or affirming a specific religion or religions. But the Pledge neither says nor implies that.

    The Jew may think of the God of Abraham, the Christian may think of the God preached about in church, the Moslem may think of the English word for Allah, the athiest may think of a generic source of our inalienable rights, the anti-religionist may think of superstitious myth, or whatever. The Pledge does not specify. The word could be anything or nothing at all.

    Whether or not you like the phrase in the Pledge, it is not an establishment of religion and neither favors nor denies a religious belief. I think it is a virtual certainty that the SCOTUS will see it that same way I do. (Or I them, which sounds a little less egotistical>)
    People also believed this about mandatory public-school prayer. We'll see.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    If the Pledge stated: "......,under the God of Isaac, Jacob, and Abraham,. . ." or "The all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipresent God. . ." or "The Creator God of all ages" or "the one and only God", etc., that would be one thing. That would in fact be acknowledging or affirming a specific religion or religions. But the Pledge neither says nor implies that.
    It is clearly God of the Judeo/Christian belief, not any other God that is preciesly whom everyone who supports it mistakenly claims we were founded under. It is not Budda, it is not Alla, it is not any other God than the one the supports claim. And it clearly respects religion which is prohibited. Does have to "a" religion, the constitution says religion period, any and all.

    It is very telling who weak your point is though that you have to try and claim that "it depends on the meaning of God".
    The Jew may think of the God of Abraham, the Christian may think of the God preached about in church, the Moslem may think of the English word for Allah, the athiest may think of a generic source of our inalienable rights, the anti-religionist may think of superstitious myth, or whatever.
    It should apply to any although it only applies to the one God, if it meant Allah it would say Allah, the law clearly says God, captial G the Judeo/Christian god. But then any religious reference should not be part of the law in the first place.

    The Pledge does not specify. The word could be anything or nothing at all.
    Yes it does and it seems you have lower yourself to denying your own god.

    Whether or not you like the phrase in the Pledge, it is not an establishment of religion
    It most certainly is stating we are a nation under that particular supernational being known as God. Well lots of us don't believe that.

    and neither favors nor denies a religious belief.
    It most certainly favors God of the Judeo/Christian faith. But if we take you position on it's face then lets rewrite the law to say Allah and have that receited in the schools and before sporting events and you can just pretend in means God.

    I think it is a virtual certainty that the SCOTUS will see it that same way I do. (Or I them, which sounds a little less egotistical>)
    They might which is a shame. We ALL should reciet the same pledge to our country TOGETHER in UNISON. One that does not put one group above the other based on their religious faith. It's too bad there are those who are so intent in injecting THEIR faith into it they are more than willing to split us apart and seem to forget the "indivisable" part.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by alex
    People also believed this about mandatory public-school prayer. We'll see.
    And religious test to hold office.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    It is clearly God of the Judeo/Christian belief, not any other God that is preciesly whom everyone who supports it mistakenly claims we were founded under. It is not Budda, it is not Alla, it is not any other God than the one the supports claim. And it clearly respects religion which is prohibited. Does have to "a" religion, the constitution says religion period, any and all.
    Clearly? Show me where it says that. Show me where it even implies that. Show me where the word 'god' is used by only Christians and Jews. (In fact Jews don't ever say the word "God" directly prefering G-d or YHWH.)

    Further there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits religion. It is definitely in the Consitution that religion may not be prohibited. What religion or requirement is being established by the phrase 'under God'? Do you suppose your understanding of God mirrors mine? I would doubt that a great deal.

    It is very telling who weak your point is though that you have to try and claim that "it depends on the meaning of God".
    There is no meaning of God specified so it has nothing to do with the meaning of anybody's God.

    It should apply to any although it only applies to the one God, if it meant Allah it would say Allah, the law clearly says God, captial G the Judeo/Christian god. But then any religious reference should not be part of the law in the first place.
    Allah is an Arabic word, not English no matter how familiar we may be of it. We have already established that the Jews do not use the word God as Christians use it. And Jehovah Witnesses don't say God either but prefer the Biblical term of Jehovah. Native Americans might say "Great Spirit". The Hindus accept a concept of God by various names and also the concept of many gods. Buddhists do not think of God as Christians do, but Buddha is almost certainly who comes to mind when the concept of God is expressed.

    God seems to be the most practical word to use as culturally, that is the one most Americans are familiar with. But there is absolutely no requirement or suggestion of any kind to attach any particular diety to that term nor any requirement or suggestion that one must attach a concept of a diety to it at all.

    Yes it does and it seems you have lower yourself to denying your own god
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    You just couldn't get it said without an ad hominem could you. :smile: '

    You don't know me and you have no idea in what manner I do or do not deny my own god.



    It most certainly is stating we are a nation under that particular supernational being known as God. Well lots of us don't believe that
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    There is no requirement in the Pledge that you believe that.



    It most certainly favors God of the Judeo/Christian faith. But if we take you position on it's face then lets rewrite the law to say Allah and have that receited in the schools and before sporting events and you can just pretend in means God.
    Again show me the claus or phrase that relates it to the Judeo/Christian god.



    They might which is a shame. We ALL should reciet the same pledge to our country TOGETHER in UNISON. One that does not put one group above the other based on their religious faith. It's too bad there are those who are so intent in injecting THEIR faith into it they are more than willing to split us apart and seem to forget the "indivisable" part.
    There are those who are just as militant about anti-Americanism who things we should not have to say any form of pledge to our country. And they are not required to do so.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Clearly? Show me where it says that. Show me where it even implies that. Show me where the word 'god' is used by only Christians and Jews. (In fact Jews don't ever say the word "God" directly prefering G-d or YHWH.)
    Well he cant do that.

    There is no meaning of God specified so it has nothing to do with the meaning of anybody's God.
    Bingo so there should be no argument.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Also how come no one has answered why in the last 50 yrs when god has been removed from our schools that teen pregnancy, sex before marriage, drug use, domestic crimes, and school shootings have gone up extensively? Hmmm.. no answer? Or I suppose the excuse for this one will be that this has nothing to do with god.

    O really? Well then tell me how come that when the very first people who came to america(pilgrims) implemented god in the school system and for over almost 400yrs we havent had these problems we now have today in the last 50yrs? Explain that astounding thing to me?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Also how come no one has answered why in the last 50 yrs when god has been removed from our schools that teen pregnancy, sex before marriage, drug use, domestic crimes, and school shootings have gone up extensively? Hmmm.. no answer? Or I suppose the excuse for this one will be that this has nothing to do with god.

    O really? Well then tell me how come that when the very first people who came to america(pilgrims) implemented god in the school system and for over almost 400yrs we havent had these problems we now have today in the last 50yrs? Explain that astounding thing to me?
    Really, you have direct correlations to any of those things? One could also say since we've removed god from our schools that we've been able to defeat Russia, land on the moon, create the internet, and have a republican president.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
    Also how come no one has answered why in the last 50 yrs when god has been removed from our schools that teen pregnancy, sex before marriage, drug use, domestic crimes, and school shootings have gone up extensively? Hmmm.. no answer? Or I suppose the excuse for this one will be that this has nothing to do with god.

    O really? Well then tell me how come that when the very first people who came to america(pilgrims) implemented god in the school system and for over almost 400yrs we havent had these problems we now have today in the last 50yrs? Explain that astounding thing to me?
    Societies change? Sorry yo, I'm a big fan of sex before marriage. There's no way you're convincing me that it's wrong.

    And I blame TV. Makes just as much sense as a lack of god. Please tell me that you don't believe that everything that's wrong with our society is a lack of god. Makes about as much sense when some libs claim everything is Bush's fault.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Societies change? Sorry yo, I'm a big fan of sex before marriage. There's no way you're convincing me that it's wrong.
    Im not claiming that its morally wrong. I am just claiming that it also has alot to do with poverty and to denounce that fact is retarded which goes back to the reason why people are complaining about katrina. And I am a big supporter of sex too(especially after the first date, hehe), remember what happened in the cab? HEHE

    Please tell me that you don't believe that everything that's wrong with our society is a lack of god.
    No but I beleive its a huge reson why.

    Makes about as much sense when some libs claim everything is Bush's fault.
    And you people do this and you just said yourself that its rediculous. So why then continue to do something you know in the back of your mind that its rediculous? Did someone say Hypocrisy?

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