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Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

I personally feel transgender individuals are...

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jallman said:
I dunno, maybe because you went all jfuh on me and started misrepresenting everything I was saying and then calling me a dumbass and other names. Just a guess though.
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That was only my reaction to your hissy fit.

And I didn't misrepresent your words either. Do you not remember me suggesting that you could have worded things better? The way you were wording it, sounded like a scared school girl, who thought every transsexual was mentally ill and ready to pounce.
 
Lightdemon said:
That was only my reaction to your hissy fit.

And I didn't misrepresent your words either. Do you not remember me suggesting that you could have worded things better? The way you were wording it, sounded like a scared school girl, who thought every transsexual was mentally ill and ready to pounce.
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You don't get to rephrase or even demand a rephrasing of my posts. What about that doesn't compute?

And no, it was a carefully chosen rhetoric meant to be sobering in response to all the namby pamby "let's just all feel good about a mental defect".
 
jallman said:
And no, it was a carefully chosen rhetoric meant to be sobering in response to all the namby pamby "let's just all feel good about a mental defect".
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What's wrong with feeling good about a mental defect?
 
She doesn't show signs of mental defect (beyond pretending that her mutilated genitalia makes her a woman).
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That's kinda like saying that Catherine Zeta-Jones (who admittedly underwent rhinoplasty early in her career) shows no signs of mental defect beyond pretending that her mutilated nose makes her attractive.
Like saying that former Playmate of the Year Carmen Electra (whose breast implants were paid for by her then-boyfriend B-Real, of the band Cypress Hill) shows no obvious derangement besides the belief that her mutilated body makes her somehow sexually appealing to men.

:roll:
 
1069 said:
That's kinda like saying that Catherine Zeta-Jones (who admittedly underwent rhinoplasty early in her career) shows no signs of mental defect beyond pretending that her mutilated nose makes her attractive.
Like saying that former Playmate of the Year Carmen Electra (whose breast implants were paid for by her then-boyfriend B-Real, of the band Cypress Hill) shows no obvious derangement besides the belief that her mutilated body makes her somehow sexually appealing to men.

:roll:
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I think those are pretty accurate comparisons.
 
jallman said:
I think those are pretty accurate comparisons.
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So, in other words, it's society that's deranged, not these individuals who undergo surgery?

Do you think most people believe Zeta-Jones to be unattractive, or Electra to be sexually unappealing?
Do you think most people's opinion of these women's appeal is despite their so-called "mutilations", or because of them?
 
1069 said:
So, in other words, it's society that's deranged, not these individuals who undergo surgery?

Do you think most people believe Zeta-Jones to be unattractive, or Electra to be sexually unappealing?
Do you think most people's opinion of these women's appeal is despite their so-called "mutilations", or because of them?
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I think that the social perception is irrelevant. I think if a woman feels unattractive or has a poor self image, bigger fake titties or a sculpted nose isn't going to alleviate the poor self esteem that instigated the surgery to start with.
 
jallman said:
You don't get to rephrase or even demand a rephrasing of my posts. What about that doesn't compute?

And no, it was a carefully chosen rhetoric meant to be sobering in response to all the namby pamby "let's just all feel good about a mental defect".
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Okay, fine. Then you're wrong. It isn't "pretend." I've already shown you why it isn't "pretend." You're co-worker isn't pretending.

You're just impossible Jallman. Simply unbelievable.



What if I told you that you're just pretending to like men? You're a man, you should like women. Are you going to let me tell you what you think. Do you have a say in who you are?
 
Lightdemon said:
Okay, fine. Then you're wrong. It isn't "pretend." I've already shown you why it isn't "pretend." You're co-worker isn't pretending.

You're just impossible Jallman. Simply unbelievable.



What if I told you that you're just pretending to like men? You're a man, you should like women. Are you going to let me tell you what you think. Do you have a say in who you are?
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A preference or attraction is not the same as looking down at your genitalia and claiming that your are the opposite of what you see.

Try again.
 
jallman said:
A preference or attraction is not the same as looking down at your genitalia and claiming that your are the opposite of what you see.
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No, it isn't preference or attraction. It's identity.
 
jallman said:
A preference or attraction is not the same as looking down at your genitalia and claiming that your are the opposite of what you see.
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I'm not sure I agree, but I think using your situation "against you" in an effort to make a point on a forum isn't right.
 
Lightdemon said:
No, it isn't preference or attraction. It's identity.
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Then you misunderstand sexuality in general because my identity is far from defined by my sexuality.

And there is nothing pretend about:

Penis looks at itself in the mirror and sees penis and happens to like other penis.

As opposed to:

Penis looks into the mirror and sees vagina...

Doesn't matter what penis's preference is at that point...it's already pretending to be vagina. There's the pathology.
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
I'm not sure I agree, but I think using your situation "against you" in an effort to make a point on a forum isn't right.
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It happens literally EVERY time I don't capitulate to a liberal. Every time.

At least Lightdemon isn't being as insulting about it as 10 and others immediately default to being.
 
1069 said:
The hostility in this thread is weird to me.
I mean, I feel mildly affronted, on an intellectual level, on behalf of transgendered individuals because of some of the sentiments expressed here, but it's not, like, personal.

Why is this issue personal enough to so many here to induce what appears to be genuine anger? Especially to those who claim never to have even met a transgendered individual?
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Here's my thing I don't mind if a guy wants to dress in womens clothing nor do I mind if a woman wants to dress like a man. I don't give a crap if they adopt roles society says belong to the opposite gender. I don't mind any of it.

I do however have some concerns for their well being when drs. are selling them a delusion.

When this delusion is pushed onto me as "truth" it is no longer tolerance but derangement and I can't suffer it.

So if you want to convince me you're a guy who likes to wear womens clothes and this makes you happy I can deal with that. I have no reason to question your sanity. You freely acknowledge the reality -I'm a man who likes to wear womens clothing. I myself like gender neutral clothing. This is more out of laziness than anything else but I digress.

However if you are a man who wants to convince me you're a woman I AM going to question your sanity. I will think you're nuts 'cause basically you are. A guy can't be a woman. If you're going to start fighting to be in the womens restrooms in public I'm gonna think you're a weirdo 'cause you're trying to pass yourself off as something you're not. If you go and convince the legislators to pass laws which suggest that not only are you free to live in a fantasy land but that I have to abide by the fantasy and play along too then I've got a problem.

It's the lie that gets me.

I get a guy who lets me know he's a guy who likes to wear makeup, wear woman's clothes, etc. He's not lying to me or himself. His tastes are questionable but as long as he isn't lying or trying to bend reality there's no reason to think he's insanel or deluded mentally.

If you're a guy and you try telling me you're a woman and you want to shower in my gym as if you are in actuality a woman then I start to question your sanity. You're NOT a woman. You'll never be a woman and while you're free to play all the games you want you can only expect my willingness to play along to go so far before I get annoyed and remind you that, "Yeah, you're mental."

Now this might just all mean I'm a bitch but 'least I got the twat to prove it. :mrgreen:
 
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jallman said:
Yeah that "WAAAAAAA, jallman's a big ole meanie". Whatever Dezaad...when your or other's opinions of ME become the topic of debate, why don't you send around a memo that I can promptly toss in the circular file.

As far as I know, the topic of debate here is TRANSGENDERED. INSANE OR MISUNDERSTOOD.

Maybe you'd like to stick to that topic? kthanx
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Again, my assertion still stands: You've offered nothing to this topic other than your own personal dogma repeated over and over. Stay on topic, indeed. There is really nothing to discuss with you, except you, because you make it an issue by being YOU! By being the way you are being in this thread. But, you're right, it is off topic. So I am done with you. Carry on with your self.
 
Lightdemon said:
Reframe your post?! Are you kidding me??

You equated a transsexual to a pathological liar. You did that on your own, buddy. I didn't do any reframing.

Your apparent fear of them is obvious, as it is irrational.
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They are pathological liars. Worse they expect everyone around them to go pathological too.

"I'm a real woman!"

"I'm the first ever pregnant man!"

It's ridiculous.
 
Dezaad said:
Again, my assertion still stands: You've offered nothing to this topic other than your own personal dogma repeated over and over. Stay on topic, indeed. There is really nothing to discuss with you, except you, because you make it an issue by being YOU! By being the way you are being in this thread. But, you're right, it is off topic. So I am done with you. Carry on with your self.
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Good, begone and let the rest of us continue an adult conversation.
 
jallman said:
Then you misunderstand sexuality in general because my identity is far from defined by my sexuality.

And there is nothing pretend about:

Penis looks at itself in the mirror and sees penis and happens to like other penis.

As opposed to:

Penis looks into the mirror and sees vagina...

Doesn't matter what penis's preference is at that point...it's already pretending to be vagina. There's the pathology.
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Then explain why some gays like to dress in drag.

But before you answer, I do understand what you are saying. Actually, it's a very good way of putting it. But there are a lot of different types of queers out there. And there are those who identify as female, the "queens" if you will.
 
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