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Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

I personally feel transgender individuals are...

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Lightdemon said:
You made that assertion when you suggested that Transsexuals shouldn't have certain type of jobs. or did you already forget about this post?
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No, I did not forget about that post. And that post is, in no way, an assertion that they should be denied the 14th Amendment, your hysterical caterwauling aside. The 14th Amendment makes no guarantee that all jobs are open to all people. I think you need to bone up on your comprehension of the 14th Amendment before you start making wild accusations.
 
jallman said:
No, I did not forget about that post. And that post is, in no way, an assertion that they should be denied the 14th Amendment, your hysterical caterwauling aside. The 14th Amendment makes no guarantee that all jobs are open to all people. I think you need to bone up on your comprehension of the 14th Amendment before you start making wild accusations.
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I said, like amendment 14. Learn to read.

What you are suggesting is borderline discrimination.

You want to try again?
 
Lightdemon said:
I said, like amendment 14. Learn to read.

What you are suggesting is borderline discrimination.

You want to try again?
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Try what? To evoke another half assed response from you? No thanks.

What I suggested is reality; people are barred from certain jobs all the time and it isn't based on discrimination. Discrimination would be: You're a transexual so you can't have this job despite your ability to do the job satisfactorily.

What I suggested is: due to your mental disturbances, certain jobs may not be suitable for you because you may not be able to perform the jobs satisfactorily.

Learn the difference.
 
jallman said:
What I suggested is: due to your mental disturbances, certain jobs may not be suitable for you because you may not be able to perform the jobs satisfactorily.

Learn the difference.
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You imagine a transexual being a Cop or a soldier? Or in a position of customer service? His inability to do his job would be in abundance.
 
GySgt said:
You imagine a transexual being a Cop or a soldier? Or in a position of customer service? His inability to do his job would be in abundance.
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That's all I'm saying. Again, I want to be an NBA All Star but I don't think application of the 14th Amendment is gonna make that happen. :roll:
 
jallman said:
That's all I'm saying. Again, I want to be an NBA All Star but I don't think application of the 14th Amendment is gonna make that happen. :roll:
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Hey I tried to help you but you refused to play along. :doh
 
GySgt said:
You imagine a transexual being a Cop or a soldier? Or in a position of customer service? His inability to do his job would be in abundance.
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This doesn't make any sense to me, can you help me understand what your saying? Sense either way you go your dealing with people that can normally get the jobs you described I have to think your not talking about physical ability... or are you?
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
This doesn't make any sense to me, can you help me understand what your saying? Sense either way you go your dealing with people that can normally get the jobs you described I have to think your not talking about physical ability... or are you?
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I think it's both mental and physical ability. And...social issues. Can you imagine a transexual trying to arrest a crack dealer down in the hood? It's an invitation for added violence and conflict.

Plus, I don't feel comfortable putting a gun and a license to kill in the hands of a person who cannot even accept the reality of his or her own genitalia when he looks at it. I don't think "angst" is a good home for a firearm.
 
jallman said:
Well it does seem that there is this push, even in this thread, to "normalize" it and treat the situation as if it isn't a profound mental defect.
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Why is it so hard to grasp that the defect might be the physical gender rather than the mental state?

Nothing I have ever read supports your stance. All we have to go on is your repeating your stance over and over. Doesn't make it truer each time you state it.
 
jallman said:
I think it's both mental and physical ability. And...social issues. Can you imagine a transexual trying to arrest a crack dealer down in the hood? It's an invitation for added violence and conflict.
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But... women are cops. And if were talking MTF then this cop started as a man anyway. You seem to be making the assumption that somehow people are going to know. How would that happen?



But more than anything I want to hear how GySgt justifies the customer service comment. :confused:
 
Dezaad said:
Why is it so hard to grasp that the defect might be the physical gender rather than the mental state?

Nothing I have ever read supports your stance. All we have to go on is your repeating your stance over and over. Doesn't make it truer each time you state it.
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If the gender is a real defect that assaults ones mental state then it's likely the mental state is still a mess post op because there is no surgery than can make a man a woman or vice versa.
 
Dezaad said:
Why is it so hard to grasp that the defect might be the physical gender rather than the mental state?
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Because the physical gender is what it is. The problem lies in the mind not accepting the physical reality.

Nothing I have ever read supports your stance. All we have to go on is your repeating your stance over and over. Doesn't make it truer each time you state it.
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Well if you don't want to discuss the issue with someone of a differing opinion than yours, find a site full of trannies that will just echo your opinions back to you.
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
But... women are cops. And if were talking MTF then this cop started as a man anyway. You seem to be making the assumption that somehow people are going to know. How would that happen?
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Because 9 times out of 10 everyone can tell. There are cases where it isn't immediately apparent but most times everyone knows. :roll:
 
talloulou said:
Because 9 times out of 10 everyone can tell. There are cases where it isn't immediately apparent but most times everyone knows. :roll:
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I've yet to see a tranny that could do anything about an adam's apple. Just sayin'

If 5 fat trannies are sittin on a wall
And one fat tranny should accidentally fall and break her penis off
You've got 4 fat trannies and one dickless tranny.
 
talloulou said:
Because 9 times out of 10 everyone can tell. There are cases where it isn't immediately apparent but most times everyone knows. :roll:
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That's ridiculous. 9 out of 10 times you can tell when you can tell. How many times out of 10 can you not tell when you can not tell? 10.

Your statement is absurd. it's like saying 9 out of 10 times I see my neighbors cat, there he is!
 
I think it's evident to all, at this point, which side of the issue the thinking people are on.
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
That's ridiculous. 9 out of 10 times you can tell when you can tell. How many times out of 10 can you not tell when you can not tell? 10.

Your statement is absurd. it's like saying 9 out of 10 times I see my neighbors cat, there he is!
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You might have a point if worldwide there wasn't a push to start hormone drugs and do surgery earlier for precisely my point. The idea is that by doing as much as possible prior to full fledged adulthood you get the best results, the most passable results. The results you get if attempting surgery as an adult don't tend to be very passable and this is noted on site after site with trannies complaining about this and that and whatever. They're obviously going for "passable" with most of them falling short in some way. I take their word for it.
 
1069 said:
I think it's evident to all, at this point, which side of the issue the thinking people are on.
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I think it's a riot you'd assert I'm a non-thinker while defending the sound mind of the hysterical guy who can't live with his healthy penis attached to his healthy male body or the woman who desperately attempts to pop pills and stretch her clitoris into something smaller than a pinky finger in an attempt to pretend she has a dick.

Whatever, 10.
 
Most male-to-female ones are now having facial feminization surgery either before or after genital reconstruction; the results are pretty amazing. You would never be able to tell.
Look up FFS, read about it, google some images. You would never be able to tell.
 
Whew. This thread sure took a strange turn. For a while there, while reading all the posts about why laws should be passed to prevent individuals and their physicians from doing what they want with their own bodies, I could have sworn I'd stumbled into the Abortion Forum.

I'll confess, I don't understand the rancor about this topic. Pre-surgical transgender candidates are subjected to a battery of psychiatric and psychological tests and therapies that would make most of us regress and suck our thumbs. Each candidate must be examined by several different psychiatric and medical professionals. The process takes years, if I understand it correctly. Hormone therapies are undertaken first, therapies which are effectively reversed if the patient has a change of heart. These therapies take months-to-years before surgery is even considered. When both the patient and the medical professionals agree that the surgery is more likely than not to be of benefit, and that the results and potential side-effects are well understood by the patient, then and only then is the surgery scheduled.

So why, I must ask, are so many people ademant that this patient has no right to receive therapies and surgeries that they and their physicians feel will be of significant benefit to their quality of life? It sounds a lot like the "if I wouldn't do it, nobody should be allowed to do it" syndrome, and it boggles the mind.
 
1069 said:
Most male-to-female ones are now having facial feminization surgery either before or after genital reconstruction; the results are pretty amazing. You would never be able to tell.
Look up FFS, read about it, google some images. You would never be able to tell.
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I've yet to see a convincing one. Perhaps I didn't know? How do they get around the sound of their voice? Which is usually the second biggest give away? How convincing are their genitals? :shock:
 
DiAnna said:
Whew. This thread sure took a strange turn. For a while there, while reading all the posts about why laws should be passed to prevent individuals and their physicians from doing what they want with their own bodies, I could have sworn I'd stumbled into the Abortion Forum.

I'll confess, I don't understand the rancor about this topic. Pre-surgical transgender candidates are subjected to a battery of psychiatric and psychological tests and therapies that would make most of us regress and suck our thumbs. Each candidate must be examined by several different psychiatric and medical professionals. The process takes years, if I understand it correctly. Hormone therapies are undertaken first, therapies which are effectively reversed if the patient has a change of heart. These therapies take months-to-years before surgery is even considered. When both the patient and the medical professionals agree that the surgery is more likely than not to be of benefit, and that the results and potential side-effects are well understood by the patient, then and only then is the surgery scheduled.
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Yeah right and yet wonder of all wonders a teacher can leave school in the summer as a man and return in the fall as a woman. How does that happen???
 
Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.

Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus -- Kruijver et al. 85 (5): 2034 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
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What this is saying is that there is a high occurence of intersexuality in transexuals. Sometimes intersexed people have more than one genitalia, or no genitalia at all. Sometimes they have a penis externally and internally, they have ovaries, and there is no way to tell, externally, that this is the case. What this study reveals is that some people have genitalia of one sex and the brain of another. It's not so surprising is it, that if people can have their genitalia develop as male and their innards develop as female that there might be the occurence of their genitalia developing as one sex and their brain developing as another.

Since they can't have a brain transplant in order to 'pretend' to be the sex they are externally, they opt to have their external sex repaired in so far as is possible.

The judgmental attitude people have about this matter sickens me. I hope those of you who have exhibited such narrow views feel uplifted by your efforts.
 
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