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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If the transexual has adjusted to cope with the problem of living in the wrong body, I can't see how you can refute that deception isn't ingrained in them on some level. Now whether that be self deception or more outwardly focused deception is a whole other matter.

    Funny, I have come to the same conclusion about gay people who were ever in the closet. On some level, a practiced deceptive skill has been developed. That conclusion is, in my view, unavoidable. This doesn't mean that the skill has resulted in a person without integrity and basic honesty. And everyone unfortunate enough to ever have to deceive people about themselves on such a fundamental level deserves a shot at proving their ability to productively contribute just like everyone else does, in whatever way their heart draws them.

    It's called compassion. It's actually what makes being human worthwhile, if anything does.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Funny, I have come to the same conclusion about gay people who were ever in the closet. On some level, a practiced deceptive skill has been developed. That conclusion is, in my view, unavoidable. This doesn't mean that the skill has resulted in a person without integrity and basic honesty. And everyone unfortunate enough to ever have to deceive people about themselves on such a fundamental level deserves a shot at proving their ability to productively contribute just like everyone else does, in whatever way their heart draws them.

    It's called compassion. It's actually what makes being human worthwhile, if anything does.
    Many of us have things in our past that we cannot be completely open and honest about, at the risk of being persecuted or deprived of the means to support ourselves and our families.
    Myself, I don't consider nondisclosure- so-called "lies of omission"- to be on par with active untruthfulness.
    I don't think people have any moral or ethical obligation to disclose personal information to strangers or to employers or to anyone else.
    People must protect themselves and their loved ones from hostility, discrimination, and disenfranchisement.
    That is their primary obligation. All other considerations are secondary.
    If that means pretending to be more like the majority than one actually is, or hiding one's aberrations, then that's what one should do.

    I don't see a problem with it.
    The few of us who can afford to be open and candid about every single aspect of our existences have either been very sheltered or have led very boring lives.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Gender Identity Issues and Alcohol Dependency

    Some representative statistics



    Again, I just think the extreme trauma of their conditions brings about a whole plethora or other mental defects and negative social issues.
    Though I would agree that transsexuals could have more psychological difficulties because of this issue, your research is skewed. Its sample size is a very narrow population group that may not be representative of transsexuals as a whole.

    Beyond this, though transsexuals may have more psychological ills because of their situation, that does not negate them from doing some of the jobs you are suggesting. Just because they have these problems, doesn't mean that they are not able to control them through therapy or other appropriate means. There is a difference between a substance abuser in recovery and an active substance abuser. Plenty of people cope with this and other issues, appropriately, every day, and should not be restricted from where they work, just because they had these issues. A transsexual should not be eliminated from these jobs just because of their situation. This condemns them before they are found guilty. If, of course they are found to act out illegally or in ways that could harm their job choice, consequences should be levied...as they would if anyone had these issues.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I don't equate it with criminality, but if you look to 10's post above where she gives an example of a person who had transexualism, these are the ways that particular subject acted out due to the trauma of her condition.

    In truth, I see alcoholism, drug addiction, anger issues, and fiscal irresponsibility being the major ways that a transexual might cope.
    I don't particularly want a person with these problems on the police force, in the military, or teaching kids.
    You just described pretty much EVERYONE in America except for maybe like 7 Mormons.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Um... I'm gonna have to call bull**** on those stats.
    Who among us has not had a transexual neighbor, classmate, or coworker?
    One of my professors is a transsexual.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Also, something to consider. Just because someone is deceptive in one aspect of their life, does not mean, conclusively, that they will be deceptive in another. Should a person who is a diligent, responsible, productive, and valued worker be fired because they cheat on their spouse?
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    One of my professors is a transsexual.
    What?? That can't be!
    Jallman just posted statistics which allege that 100% of transexuals are homeless, unemployed, and on welfare, and only 5% of them have high school diplomas.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    A transsexual should not be eliminated from these jobs just because of their situation. This condemns them before they are found guilty. If, of course they are found to act out illegally or in ways that could harm their job choice, consequences should be levied...as they would if anyone had these issues.
    This is precisely the point I was trying to address. By saying that transsexuals are not fit to have certain jobs is borderline discrimination.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Here is a list of transsexual people. I haven't gone through it, but I imagine there are some who are quite successful:

    List of transgender people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Here is a list of transsexual people. I haven't gone through it, but I imagine there are some who are quite successful:

    List of transgender people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Looking at a few people on this list, I think transvestites were included. I will try to find a more specific list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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