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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    I'm wondering about this "not safe to work around children" thing. Where does this come from? What is it feared that will happen?
    Please note I didn't say "not safe", I said "can be reasonably barred from". Just like they could be reasonably barred from serving in the military or on a police force.

    I wouldn't want someone who was guilty of hot check schemes, petty theft, or even a pathological liar (which I could easily see a transexual becoming if they become accustomed to living with so great a lie just to assimilate) working with children, in addition to other sensitive jobs.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Please note I didn't say "not safe", I said "can be reasonably barred from". Just like they could be reasonably barred from serving in the military or on a police force.

    I wouldn't want someone who was guilty of hot check schemes, petty theft, or even a pathological liar (which I could easily see a transexual becoming if they become accustomed to living with so great a lie just to assimilate) working with children, in addition to other sensitive jobs.
    I think you could have chosen better words to describe the lifestyle of a transsexual...."become accustomed to living with so great a lie"?....

    I doubt that most transsexuals wanted to live a lie. I seriously doubt the veracity of tying their lifestyle choices to thievery and crime.

    You're taking a very large leap of faith here...
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I think you could have chosen better words to describe the lifestyle of a transsexual...."become accustomed to living with so great a lie"?....

    I doubt that most transsexuals wanted to live a lie. I seriously doubt the veracity of tying their lifestyle choices to thievery and crime.

    You're taking a very large leap of faith here...
    If the transexual has adjusted to cope with the problem of living in the wrong body, I can't see how you can refute that deception isn't ingrained in them on some level. Now whether that be self deception or more outwardly focused deception is a whole other matter.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Please note I didn't say "not safe", I said "can be reasonably barred from".
    Sweetie, it's me, KK, we're friends having a chat, I was just paraphrasing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Just like they could be reasonably barred from serving in the military or on a police force.
    I'm going to need this explained to. Why would this be a problem if they could meet the physical requirements?


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I wouldn't want someone who was guilty of hot check schemes, petty theft, or even a pathological liar (which I could easily see a transexual becoming if they become accustomed to living with so great a lie just to assimilate) working with children, in addition to other sensitive jobs.
    Do you really equate this with criminality?

    In RL I'm breathtakingly nice and polite to all sorts of people that I think are inadequate in one way or another that I'd love to tell how I really feel. Does that mean I'm a pathological liar or that I've had good upbringing? It certainly doesn't mean I have a criminal mindset.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    Sweetie, it's me, KK, we're friends having a chat, I was just paraphrasing.


    I'm going to need this explained to. Why would this be a problem if they could meet the physical requirements?



    Do you really equate this with criminality?

    In RL I'm breathtakingly nice and polite to all sorts of people that I think are inadequate in one way or another that I'd love to tell how I really feel. Does that mean I'm a pathological liar or that I've had good upbringing? It certainly doesn't mean I have a criminal mindset.
    No, I don't equate it with criminality, but if you look to 10's post above where she gives an example of a person who had transexualism, these are the ways that particular subject acted out due to the trauma of her condition.

    In truth, I see alcoholism, drug addiction, anger issues, and fiscal irresponsibility being the major ways that a transexual might cope. I don't particularly want a person with these problems on the police force, in the military, or teaching kids.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If the transexual has adjusted to cope with the problem of living in the wrong body, I can't see how you can refute that deception isn't ingrained in them on some level. Now whether that be self deception or more outwardly focused deception is a whole other matter.
    Is confusion the same as deception?

    Transsexuals don't all start out thinking their the opposite sex. The same could be said of homosexuals who have been married so-and-so years and realized that they were gay. Could you really say that this person was deceptive? Isn't it possible that this person was confused?

    Again, I don't think this is intentional deception, it may not even be deception at all, and therefore it is quite different than a pathological liar.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I don't equate it with criminality, but if you look to 10's post above where she gives an example of a person who had transexualism, these are the ways that particular subject acted out due to the trauma of her condition.

    In truth, I see alcoholism, drug addiction, anger issues, and fiscal irresponsibility being the major ways that a transexual might cope. I don't particularly want a person with these problems on the police force, in the military, or teaching kids.
    If you wish those things weren't present in those jobs you must just be in fits over the current state of things.

    I'm curious to know why you'd think that these issues would be prevalent in people with gender issues.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    I'm curious to know why you'd think that these issues would be prevalent in people with gender issues.
    Gender Identity Issues and Alcohol Dependency

    Some representative statistics

    In the core group that we have met we have found that:
    53% were prostitutes
    16% were HIV+ self-disclose
    100% were unemployed and on Social Assistance
    80% lived in hot stove hotel rooms where the cleanliness is very poor
    14% were known to be HIV+ but did not acknowledge it in any form nor did they want to access our support group
    95 % were high school drop-outs
    none had contacts with family members.
    Again, I just think the extreme trauma of their conditions brings about a whole plethora or other mental defects and negative social issues.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    In the core group that we have met we have found that:
    53% were prostitutes
    16% were HIV+ self-disclose
    100% were unemployed and on Social Assistance
    80% lived in hot stove hotel rooms where the cleanliness is very poor
    14% were known to be HIV+ but did not acknowledge it in any form nor did they want to access our support group
    95 % were high school drop-outs
    none had contacts with family members.
    Um... I'm gonna have to call bull**** on those stats.
    Who among us has not had a transexual neighbor, classmate, or coworker?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Gender Identity Issues and Alcohol Dependency

    Some representative statistics

    Again, I just think the extreme trauma of their conditions brings about a whole plethora or other mental defects and negative social issues.
    But at that link with the stats they say that they got their info from 133 transvestites/transexuals they met "on the streets and in bars"! Of course you find prostitutes on the street! Of course you find drunks in bars! Etc, etc.

    That doesn't mean that most or even many people with gender issues are liek that.

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