"We may have destroyed this country, but we got rich doing it!" --The GOP
There is a special place in hell for those who care only about themselves.
But with religion, you could agree that there is a God without actually believing a part of the dogma of said religion. Yet, the said religion compulses people to believe it all.
You know damn well this does nothing to further debate. Can it.
Amputation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSometimes professional athletes may choose to have a non-essential digit amputated to relieve chronic pain and impaired performance. Daniel Chick elected to have his left ring finger amputated as chronic pain and injury was limiting his performance. Rugby union player Jone Tawake also had a finger removed..\ NFL safety Ronnie Lott had the tip of his pinky finger removed after it was damaged in the 1985 NFL season.
Ask 1069 for the pain olympics link.
People castrate themselves too. I don't agree with it. But if they do it safely, I don't care.
Originally Posted by Jerry
Having the delusion one is trapped in the body of the wrong gender, or "feeling" like that, certainly isn't.Having the surgery most definitely is chosen.
The religion can't MAKE someone believe anything at all.But with religion, you could agree that there is a God without actually believing a part of the dogma of said religion. Yet, the said religion compulses people to believe it all.
HereI missed it. Sorry. What post number?
Nobody wants to be a bad Christian. Nobody wants to be a "doubting Thomas".
But isn't the whole Bible the "Word of God"? How could you not believe a part? Isn't that blasphemy to God?
Originally Posted by Jerry
A comparison between transsexuality and transableism transabled.org Blogging about BIID
Extreme body modification like excessive tattooing is debilitating socially--and yet, do you consider them perhaps insane?On the other hand, I agree that this would in fact be cutting healthy flesh, and may actually feed into the disorder. This would also fit under the category of insanity because we have to factor in debilitation. However, it isn't complete insanity, because strictly speaking insanity constitutes a threat (either to themselves or to other people) which is why we institutionalize the insane. Those with BIID do not necessarily carry that same threat to themselves. But the debilitation factor should be considered.
I certainly don't advocate discrimination. But I also don't advocate just doing whatever one wants to to the body. There is a limit, and I think destroying functional organs or removing healthy tissue due to a compulsion or strictly a desire is that limit.What I'm saying is that people shouldn't view it as normal, but they shouldn't use that non-normalcy to discriminate. Myself being a minority, I wouldn't want my non-normalcy to dictate the way I have to lead my life.
Ok...maybe not just one...Just one instance and it shoots my +95% satisfied reports to hell? I'm sorry, but I don't think that's possible.
YouTube - 20% regret sex changeThe study that I've linked earlier, showed only 1-2% of the people regretting their sex change operation. This is indication that the operation is extremely successful in achieving satisfaction.
I'm sorry Felicity, but you need to do more than just find one instance. Statistically speaking, it would be irrelevant.
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I don't, sorry.I'm interested in looking at the Olsen and Möller article. Do you have the full article? What I want to see is what they wrote in the conclusion/discussion part of their report.
No--it's about comorbidity of the two--it's in the title.And while this article is very interesting, it is about Schizophrenia, not specifically about Transsexualism.
Right--and as such, The gender "problem" is sometimes a delusion--when the person BELIEVES he/she is of the opposite sex and is trapped in the wrong body. At least 25%! That is a significant percentage!It cites 25% of people with Schizophrenia to have cross-gender identification, which is what they called "comorbidity" (a fancy word for having multiple disorders). It also cites that because of comorbidity it makes it extremely difficult for the psychologist to diagnose the client.
What do you make of the ones whose issue resolve spontaneously?It cites further that antipsychotic drugs helped that 25% by eliminating cross-gender identity, but they conclude that it was because they had Schizophrenia, not GID specifically.
Perhaps GID is simply a manifestation of a mental disorder.It's a good article. This would explain why sex change operations do not always have satisfactory results for all clients. Perhaps it was because they never had GID in the first place, instead they had Schizophrenia.
The article I cited demonstrates that at least some of the time--a significant portion of the time--the gender question IS a delusion.Again, you're just not accepting the persons choice of identity. You are only calling it a delusion because you do not accept their choice.
Hmmmm...there's reason to question that percentage as Walt discusses in his video.I'm sorry Felicity, but +95% satisfaction is a huge number. I'm surprised you're not sold by it...
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And just who the hell is this "Walter"?
Where does he get his #s from?
What are his qualifications to speak on this?
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I don't know what that means. I am a very skeptical Catholic when it comes to miracles and such. I don't know whether I buy the one I linked you to or not. It has some compelling evidence, but ... Luckily, I could even call it a load of horse manure and still be in good standing with the Church. I do believe the Fatima miracles and I also believe that the Shroud of Turin is Jesus' burial cloth. The evidence meets my believability test--which consists of nothing, i just believe it.Nobody wants to be a bad Christian. Nobody wants to be a "doubting Thomas".
The Bible is a means of God's Revelation of Himself--the Word of God is actually Jesus Christ.But isn't the whole Bible the "Word of God"? How could you not believe a part? Isn't that blasphemy to God?
But really--isn't this thread supposed to be about Transgendered people? Why do you want to hijack it with challenging my personal faith? Are you interested in becoming Catholic. Feel free to PM me for more info.