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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    You're incredulity is a product of your belief that the brain is sending commands because it is the one doing the interpreting. A belief that I disagree with.

    The system we are talking about uses molecules to communicate. How do you figure which end is giving a command? Because you see, to command is to imply thinking. However, when you're hungry, your brain doesn't command your stomach to feel hungry. It's the other way around. No food in the stomach sends a message to the brain, then you feel hungry. As with hormones. "Hey, I'm old enough now, start growing some pubs down there please!" and the brain complies (courtesy of the hypothalamus.)

    How do you figure which end is giving the command? Personally, I believe it is bidirectional/multi-directional. Meaning that the entire system itself is the "mind."
    Hey do you know when you're like completely dead your fingernails continue to grow???

    The brain is the thinking command center. The interpretation center. The mind. The brain and the mind are one in the same.

    You can argue otherwise but you're just telling me your random thoughts and claiming they have scientific backing when they don't. We might as well talk about aliens, it would be more fun.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yes i did.

    You seemed to have missed this part completely:

    Well, you and I both know that wikipedia is open for interpreation.


    What I wanted you to do was put 2 and 2 together. Phantom Limb and Muscle Memory. Care to give it a try?
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    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well if the dysphoria is in the mind and the mind is something other than all these chunks of meat then perhaps they should just call in a witch dr.
    I don't believe I made any assertion suggesting the mind to be "something other than all these chunks of meat".
    "Mind" is just another word for consciousness; consciousness originates in the brain (although it's possible to have a corporeal brain, but no consciousness, as with patients in vegetative states). It certainly isn't possible to have consciousness without a brain.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Hey do you know when you're like completely dead your fingernails continue to grow???

    The brain is the thinking command center. The interpretation center. The mind. The brain and the mind are one in the same.

    You can argue otherwise but you're just telling me your random thoughts and claiming they have scientific backing when they don't. We might as well talk about aliens, it would be more fun.
    I'm sorry I caused you to be angry. But now you're just yelling your opinion at me.

    You didn't give me the courtesy of addressing any of my points in that post.
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    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Hey do you know when you're like completely dead your fingernails continue to grow???
    That isn't true.
    it's an urban legend/ old wives' tale.

    Google's your friend.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Well, you and I both know that wikipedia is open for interpreation.


    What I wanted you to do was put 2 and 2 together. Phantom Limb and Muscle Memory. Care to give it a try?
    OMG. You cited the article. You linked to it. If you don't have faith in it then don't post it.

    As far as giving it a try I don't need to. Read the article. It seemed clear as day to me and completely supported my argument. I don't know why you posted it. The very first paragraph supports everything I've been telling you. Motor memory is a product of the brain.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    That isn't true.
    it's an urban legend/ old wives' tale.

    Google's your friend.
    Holy ****. I think I learned that in school. So we dehydrate and it just makes it look like our fingernails grew? That's freaking nasty.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I'm sorry I caused you to be angry. But now you're just yelling your opinion at me.

    You didn't give me the courtesy of addressing any of my points in that post.
    I'm sorry. I don't mean to yell. It's just frustrating to me that you and the newbie think that the mind and brain aren't one in the same. It should be amusing. I mean you tell me there are "other rooms" or some such nonsense and she comes along and says I'm like the ones who thought the earth was flat. Then she says something goofy like, "But the brain is a chunk of meat!" As if her beautiful mind is too magical to be housed within a chunk of meat.

    There's gotta be something better than this on tv.

    But I did learn something tonight. Thanks 10! I swear I had a teacher literally teach me that ****.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    OMG. You cited the article. You linked to it. If you don't have faith in it then don't post it.

    As far as giving it a try I don't need to. Read the article. It seemed clear as day to me and completely supported my argument. I don't know why you posted it. The very first paragraph supports everything I've been telling you. Motor memory is a product of the brain.
    Sigh...

    The article I cited was to give you a general background, which is what wikipedia is good for. What it isn't good for is claiming truth from it, as we all know.

    Phantom limb is interpreted in many ways. For instance, I can argue against wikipedia and say that because the end neurons are sending a message to the brain, which is the cause of the sensation of phantom limb.

    Before you respond, realize that the motor cortex is not the command center, it is just reflective to the peripheral nervous system. Shown here:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Homunculus.png
    When electrically probed in the corresponding areas, you will feel a sensation in that area. A probe in the pinky would cause a reaction in the brain in the corresponding area. So which way is it? The pinky giving the command "Hey I feel something!" or is the brain saying that?

    This type of thinking isn't my own random thoughts. It's what contemporary psychologists have been struggling with in recent years. The old ideology that the brain is the "command center" is outdated, as is Freud and Skinner. Theories get replaced by more accurate ones. It's just science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    But I did learn something tonight. Thanks 10! I swear I had a teacher literally teach me that ****.
    You're welcome.
    There are some benefits to being a drop-out.
    They don't have an opportunity to teach you bull****.

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