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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    And if it is not a delusion?
    read the next sentence after the one you quote.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    If it is an organic problem, surgical work on the sex organs is not addressing the damaged part of the body, but rather cuts healthy flesh.
    There is no damaged part of the brain, though. Just as people with depression do not have damaged brains. The way you are wording it is simplifying the disorder and out of context.

    It is a disorder, an Identity disorder. The brain is not damaged, it's the mind. Fixing the brain, is not the same as fixing the mind.

    For instance: Phantom Limb.

    People who have amputated limbs feel their removed limbs. They some times feel it via pain, and sometimes itchiness. But the general feeling is that their limb(s) is still there.

    One fairly successful way to eliminate this "itchy" feeling is to gain a prosthetic limb. The itchiness goes away, along with the residual pain. This was how the mind was "fixed." No operation needed on the brain.

    Now, do you understand the disconnect in your conclusion?
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    There is no damaged part of the brain, though. Just as people with depression do not have damaged brains. The way you are wording it is simplifying the disorder and out of context.

    It is a disorder, an Identity disorder. The brain is not damaged, it's the mind. Fixing the brain, is not the same as fixing the mind.

    For instance: Phantom Limb.

    People who have amputated limbs feel their removed limbs. They some times feel it via pain, and sometimes itchiness. But the general feeling is that their limb(s) is still there.

    One fairly successful way to eliminate this "itchy" feeling is to gain a prosthetic limb. The itchiness goes away, along with the residual pain. This was how the mind was "fixed." No operation needed on the brain.

    Now, do you understand the disconnect in your conclusion?
    There is no consensus regarding whether or not gender dysphoria has an organic component to it. Most drs. recognize it as a mental disorder. It is classified as a mental disorder today. There are theories which allude to hormonal imbalances in the womb or chromosome abnormalities, etc but those are theories. As it stands today it is classified as a mental disorder.

    Furthermore there are few large long term studies out there. Then there's the John Hopkins stuff, which suggests that while most transsexuals don't express regret for their sexual reassignment surgery they are hardly cured. The same psychological conditions exist post op that were present pre op. Since men can't' be made women and vice versa the dysphoria remains. John Hopkins shut down their gender reassignment clinic for fear that they were cooperating with mental illness rather than curing it after following up on post surgical transsexuals.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I just can't wrap my head around purposefully destroying my sexual organs. What if good sex was ruined forever and everyone knows you're a tranny anyway?

    It's just mind boggling. Plus there's the whole issue of do you tell people, assume they know already, or just take the wait and see what happens approach? How can people live with all that insanity?
    Ok, now imagine wanting something so bad that you were willing to risk all of that and probably more. If someone is suffering so badly that they will risk everything for relief I can not imagine how a caring human being could oppose them. Should they suffer so others can be comfortable and not have to "deal with it"?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    There is no damaged part of the brain, though. Just as people with depression do not have damaged brains. The way you are wording it is simplifying the disorder and out of context.

    It is a disorder, an Identity disorder. The brain is not damaged, it's the mind. Fixing the brain, is not the same as fixing the mind.

    For instance: Phantom Limb.

    People who have amputated limbs feel their removed limbs. They some times feel it via pain, and sometimes itchiness. But the general feeling is that their limb(s) is still there.
    Phantom Limb phenomenon is a somatic delusion. I agree that GID is delusional--a somatic delusion.


    Now, do you understand the disconnect in your conclusion?
    Not really...a strap-on would not solve the delusion of a person suffering GID.

    Delusions

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    Ok, now imagine wanting something so bad that you were willing to risk all of that and probably more. If someone is suffering so badly that they will risk everything for relief I can not imagine how a caring human being could oppose them. Should they suffer so others can be comfortable and not have to "deal with it"?
    There are women suffering because their form of body dysphoria tells them they are too fat no matter how skinny they are. Allowing them to starve themselves under dr. directed guidance wouldn't be compassionate. It would instead be detrimental.

    Allowing a person to destroy healthy tissue due a mental illness is not compassionate. If the transsexual person has the same psychological problems post op that he or she had pre-op then there's no benefit.

    The fact that transsexuals report their surgery was beneficial doesn't mean anything.

    Anorexic women are happy to starve themselves to death and may report feelings of happiness while engaging in their unhealthy eating disorder.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    There are women suffering because their form of body dysphoria tells them they are too fat no matter how skinny they are. Allowing them to starve themselves under dr. directed guidance wouldn't be compassionate. It would instead be detrimental.

    Allowing a person to destroy healthy tissue due a mental illness is not compassionate. If the transsexual person has the same psychological problems post op that he or she had pre-op then there's no benefit.

    The fact that transsexuals report their surgery was beneficial doesn't mean anything.

    Anorexic women are happy to starve themselves to death and may report feelings of happiness while engaging in their unhealthy eating disorder.

    Ok, well, what would convince you?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    awwww...man...I just went back and actually read the last few pages of posts...I wish I hadn't. TMI, joey--even if Ten's egging you on. Sheesh.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Allowing a person to destroy healthy tissue due a mental illness is not compassionate.
    It is if thats what they want to do and it doesn't hurt anyone else. And by "not hurt anyone else" I don't mean the way you suffer at home having to endure the agony of hearing about them.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Phantom Limb phenomenon is a somatic delusion. I agree that GID is delusional--a somatic delusion.
    Yes, phantom limb is a delusion. But I was not alluding that GID is a delusion. I was merely explaining that surgery on the brain is not the only way to resolve a psychological disorder.

    Brain does not equal mind. Therefore operating on an organ, that is not the brain, could still be achieving the goal of "fixing the mind."

    Not really...a strap-on would not solve the delusion of a person suffering GID.
    Actually in some cases it would. Remember when said that surgery wasn't always the solution? Some transsexuals engage in cross-dressing (this would include strap-ons), and some take hormonal therapy without the surgery.

    Again, surgery would be an appropriate resolution to the problem, as would the alternatives that do not require surgery. Given that substantial counseling and professional advising were given prior to the treatment.
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