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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well not for actual sex. That's normally like a half hour to 45 minutes. But there's this thing called foreplay.
    Foreplay is like 20 minutes tops for me, and that's only because of my wife. I mean seriously, I got **** to do. lol.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So can a female-to-male tranny actually get it up? Does anything...umm...come out of there when they orgasm?
    No. Nothing came out. I am not quite sure how I would've handled it if something had come out.

    Consequently, I was never able to achieve climax either. My mind would wander back to "it" and I just lost interest after a while. Plus he started complaining that he was getting sore and my mind began to wonder about the structural integrity of his pelvic area so I opted out of a happy ending.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So can a female-to-male tranny actually get it up? Does anything...umm...come out of there when they orgasm?
    Possibly, and no.

    They can "get it up" if it's actually their clit, enlarged by hormones and/ or mechanical devices.

    They can't "get it up" if it's actually a rolled-up skin graft from another area of their body.

    But either way, no, nothing comes out.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Possibly, and no.

    They can "get it up" if it's actually their clit, enlarged by hormones and/ or mechanical devices.

    They can't "get it up" if it's actually a rolled-up skin graft from another area of their body.

    But either way, no, nothing comes out.
    I just can't wrap my head around purposefully destroying my sexual organs. What if good sex was ruined forever and everyone knows you're a tranny anyway?

    It's just mind boggling. Plus there's the whole issue of do you tell people, assume they know already, or just take the wait and see what happens approach? How can people live with all that insanity?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well not for actual sex. That's normally like a half hour to 45 minutes. But there's this thing called foreplay.
    Gay dudes have foreplay? Really? I thought that was just something chicks wanted.

    Or was it because "he" was actually a "she"?
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't believe Jallman thinks the disorder itself is "pretend."

    He asserted a "surgical solution" which involves manipulation/mutilation of ones genitals offers up a "pretend" delusion. The man who genuinely thinks he is in the wrong body cannot become a woman no matter how many surgical alterations he undergoes, no matter how many drugs he takes. No matter what he does he will still be a man, albeit an altered man. But a man nonetheless, not a woman. That's where the fantasy/pretend/delusion part comes into play. With surgery and hormones the aim is to get as close to the goal as possible so you can pretend you are in the "right" body. So you can pretend you are the right gender.

    But you're not. You can't be. A man can't become a woman and vice versa. I'm sure the disorder is real. I'm sure there are folks who really feel like they are in the wrong body. But there's no surgical solution to that which doesn't involve fantasy and pretending, as Jallman said.
    Hmmm...thoughtful post. I think it depends on how we define gender. If we consider gender to be a purely physical construct, then your post is fairly accurate. However, there is new information that indicates that gender may have to do with how the brain processes this information...before the sexual organs even develop. There's a lot we don't know about sexuality.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Exactly if the rift between body/brain is strong enough to cause severe mental anguish prior to surgery the same mental issues will be present post op. They may be lessoned or heightened to various degrees but the dysphoria doesn't go away. The disconnect between brain/body/presentation will still inevitably be all screwed up, forever.
    Not necessarily, and not what research shows. We don't see DNA. DNA doesn't manage our moods. We see genitalia, and hormones impact our moods. If one is in distress because their brain and physical attributes are inconsistent when it comes to gender, and though they may learn to cope with this issue, no amount of therapy is going to resolve this. Sex reassignment does. This is not self-injury nor is it analogous to anorexia in any way. Both of these behaviors are symptoms of a psychological disorder. Sex reassignment is a treatment for GID.

    Also, the medical ethics issue is a fallacy. It is completely ethical to provide an appropriate treatment that has shown positive results.

    Now, does sex reassignment turn a man into a woman or vice versa? From a DNA standpoint, absolutely not. But, again, there is much we do not know about the brain and gender and it is premature to simply dismiss this issue as a delusion.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Penis looks into the mirror and sees vagina...

    Doesn't matter what penis's preference is at that point...it's already pretending to be vagina. There's the pathology.
    This would be a delusion. However, your explanation is inaccurate for the issue. This one is more accurate:

    Penis looks in the mirror and sees penis...and recognizes that this is incorrect. Penis isn't pretending to be vagina. Penis recognizes that penis is in the wrong place.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    OK, this thread has taken an "interesting" turn.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This would be a delusion. However, your explanation is inaccurate for the issue. This one is more accurate:

    Penis looks in the mirror and sees penis...and recognizes that this is incorrect. Penis isn't pretending to be vagina. Penis recognizes that penis is in the wrong place.
    According to whom?

    And if the answer is the person looking in the mirror, wouldn't that fit delusional thinking since the reality is male genitalia which indicates "maleness." The "feelings" don't identify gender, sexual organs do.

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