You have no way of knowing any such thing, and I for one doubt that it's the case. Both women (and numerous other actresses) began to attain celebrity status before their surgeries, and were probably advised (correctly) by their agents that such *improvements* would advance their careers.
When one makes one's living primarily or even partially by one's looks, it is in one's interests to conform as closely as possible to the current mainstream societal ideal of perfection, and thereby appeal to the broadest possible audience.
I think it's probably relatively harmless in most jobs, but teaching is another story. As far as I'm concerned a teacher teaching my preschooler that men can become women would be as offensive as teaching them all about God.
Welp, it's been an interesting... and enlightening... discussion, but I honestly feel that we are now in the area of deep and impenatrable personal prejudice to the point where further conversation will be unhelpful. I'll be tottling off now.
I don't typically indulge the nature fallacy because you're right...nature is so abstract a concept that you can't use it to define anything because nature, itself, has no definition.
I just think that while the delusion the transexual suffers may be very real in his/her mind, it is not reality. Reality is that the DNA imprint and the physical morphology dictate an absolute biological sex. That biological sex defines the physical gender of the transexual.
Now they may sexually identify in any way they like or adopt any gender role they feel comfortable with. All of that is abstract and more a construct of society than anything else. Fine. But I do not think it is good for anyone involved to indulge the idea that that the physical/biological gender is anything more or can be anything other than what it is.
If the transexual sexually identifies as an effeminate submissive who takes the passive position sexually with the male gender, then let them do that while wearing high heels for all anyone cares. It's their right, whatever.
But it is an affront to reason and to rational sensibilities to suggest that the transexual, despite surgeries, hormones, and a plethora of tolerance and compassion is anything different than the physical gender it has been since birth.
There's a lot that we need to stop teaching, actually. There are plenty of lies that we tell our children, especially in elementary.I think it's probably relatively harmless in most jobs, but teaching is another story. As far as I'm concerned a teacher teaching my preschooler that men can become women would be as offensive as teaching them all about God.