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  • Mentally disturbed.

    39 39.00%
  • Slightly irregular.

    15 15.00%
  • Perfectly normal.

    21 21.00%
  • Progressive.

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  • Self-Actualized.

    12 12.00%
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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    So what makes them unfit to be a teacher
    Or the really baffling idea that they shouldn't be allowed in customer service.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think that the social perception is irrelevant. I think if a woman feels unattractive or has a poor self image, bigger fake titties or a sculpted nose isn't going to alleviate the poor self esteem that instigated the surgery to start with.
    Logical fallacy, in that it hinges on the presupposition that Carmen Electra and Catherine Zeta-Jones (as well as most other models and celebrities) "felt unattractive" and/ or had "a poor self-image" to start with.
    You have no way of knowing any such thing, and I for one doubt that it's the case. Both women (and numerous other actresses) began to attain celebrity status before their surgeries, and were probably advised (correctly) by their agents that such *improvements* would advance their careers.
    When one makes one's living primarily or even partially by one's looks, it is in one's interests to conform as closely as possible to the current mainstream societal ideal of perfection, and thereby appeal to the broadest possible audience.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    Oh, I see. Its like when the media tells me Britney Spears is important and I have to go along with it.

    FWIW, I don't see where anyone has to "go along with it" but the more I think about it I'm intrigued by the idea of having sex with a man that used to be a woman.
    Well good luck with that. I heard the pseudo penis is fairly shoddy and worthless.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Someone here is Freaky Deaky!
    Aw, don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure lots of others feel the same as you do. Your not alone.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well good luck with that. I heard the pseudo penis is fairly shoddy and worthless.
    I'll be sure to let you know my findings if I get a chance to give it a whirl.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    So what if he thinks he's a woman? Many transsexuals who have gone through therapy aren't unstable. They aren't "insane." Again, it doesn't make sense to use words such as "mentally unstable" or "mental defect" to describe the situation.

    There is a pathology, yes. But is it dangerous? No. Harmful? No.
    So what makes them unfit to be a teacher, or any other career?
    It is harmful if my kids are taught that men can become women and vice versa. It's a lie. A lie a certain sect of society is trying to pass off as truth and anyone who points out the lie is an asshole.

    I think it's probably relatively harmless in most jobs, but teaching is another story. As far as I'm concerned a teacher teaching my preschooler that men can become women would be as offensive as teaching them all about God.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Welp, it's been an interesting... and enlightening... discussion, but I honestly feel that we are now in the area of deep and impenatrable personal prejudice to the point where further conversation will be unhelpful. I'll be tottling off now.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    That part was especially funny.

    The part where we disagree on, the pretending, is essential. It is the part where the individual decides who he/she is. That decision should be made by the individual and no one else.

    I'm not going to bring up all the arguments again, there were plenty on hermaphrodites, XX males, XY females, etc.

    You seem to think that nature defines who we are, but I don't know what the hell nature is exactly.

    But I guess I'll just end here.
    Why end it? We're actually getting somewhere...

    I don't typically indulge the nature fallacy because you're right...nature is so abstract a concept that you can't use it to define anything because nature, itself, has no definition.

    I just think that while the delusion the transexual suffers may be very real in his/her mind, it is not reality. Reality is that the DNA imprint and the physical morphology dictate an absolute biological sex. That biological sex defines the physical gender of the transexual.

    Now they may sexually identify in any way they like or adopt any gender role they feel comfortable with. All of that is abstract and more a construct of society than anything else. Fine. But I do not think it is good for anyone involved to indulge the idea that that the physical/biological gender is anything more or can be anything other than what it is.

    If the transexual sexually identifies as an effeminate submissive who takes the passive position sexually with the male gender, then let them do that while wearing high heels for all anyone cares. It's their right, whatever.

    But it is an affront to reason and to rational sensibilities to suggest that the transexual, despite surgeries, hormones, and a plethora of tolerance and compassion is anything different than the physical gender it has been since birth.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It is harmful if my kids are taught that men can become women and vice versa. It's a lie. A lie a certain sect of society is trying to pass off as truth and anyone who points out the lie is an asshole.
    That sucks for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, and of course Halloween.

    I think it's probably relatively harmless in most jobs, but teaching is another story. As far as I'm concerned a teacher teaching my preschooler that men can become women would be as offensive as teaching them all about God.
    There's a lot that we need to stop teaching, actually. There are plenty of lies that we tell our children, especially in elementary.
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Logical fallacy, in that it hinges on the presupposition that Carmen Electra and Catherine Zeta-Jones (as well as most other models and celebrities) "felt unattractive" and/ or had "a poor self-image" to start with.
    You have no way of knowing any such thing, and I for one doubt that it's the case. Both women (and numerous other actresses) began to attain celebrity status before their surgeries, and were probably advised (correctly) by their agents that such *improvements* would advance their careers.
    When one makes one's living primarily or even partially by one's looks, it is in one's interests to conform as closely as possible to the current mainstream societal ideal of perfection, and thereby appeal to the broadest possible audience.
    It is outside the realm of possibility to me that someone would inflict pain and mutilation on their bodies to affect a lie for themselves. I think that may be where the whole "does not compute" point is for me in all this.

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