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  • Slightly irregular.

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  • Progressive.

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  • Self-Actualized.

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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Okay, fine. Then you're wrong. It isn't "pretend." I've already shown you why it isn't "pretend." You're co-worker isn't pretending.

    You're just impossible Jallman. Simply unbelievable.



    What if I told you that you're just pretending to like men? You're a man, you should like women. Are you going to let me tell you what you think. Do you have a say in who you are?
    A man who sexually prefers other men is not lying. You don't have to put aside reality and facts to believe him when he claims he prefers men.

    A man who tells you he's a woman is asking you to accept a lie, an illusion.

    They're not even close to comparable.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It is society that is deranged and becoming more so everyday all in the name of tolerance.

    It's positively insane to have a surgeon knife open your chest and insert silicone or saline balloons in the hopes of being more appealing, sexually.

    There was a time when most of us would have readily acknowledged that. Now many of us are nuttier than the whole grain bread in my freezer.
    What? You're saying that tolerance is deranged, and intolerance is sanity? Wow. Not in my world it's not. It sounds to me as if you honestly feel that anyone who doesn't share your beliefs, your revulsion for those with whom you disagree, is basically... insane for not agreeing with you. Have I misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    How are you being asked to play along? Your not being approached for sex by men that used to be women, right?
    I'm asked to play along when the media reports the first man has given birth. I'm asked to play along when laws are made telling us men can use womens bathrooms, gym showers, etc because they believe they're women and so we ALL have to believe they're women. I'm asked to play along when a teacher leaves school in June as a woman and returns in the fall as a man and doesn't have enough sensitivity to the young children involved to bother switching schools and of course NOBODY better force them to switch schools because that would be intolerant. Nor can any parent remove their child from that class without withdrawing entirely from the school.

    There's lots of ways we're all asked to play along and occasionally it's time for a reality check.

    FWIW I would prefer my kid be taught by a man who claims he prefers women clothes vs. being taught by a man who claims he's a woman.

    One is sane albeit off the beaten path while the other is a ridiculous fabrication that definitely borders on insane.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely, but they aren't mutilating their bodies to pathologically try to bring about a reality that never will be.

    Hell, I can be in touch with my inner sista like any gay man, but the fact is, I know I have a penis (and I really love my penis as well as other penises). And the "queens" you are referencing I see as having more of a flamboyance about their mannerisms than any real pathology that makes them think they are something they aren't.
    That part was especially funny.

    The part where we disagree on, the pretending, is essential. It is the part where the individual decides who he/she is. That decision should be made by the individual and no one else.

    I'm not going to bring up all the arguments again, there were plenty on hermaphrodites, XX males, XY females, etc.

    You seem to think that nature defines who we are, but I don't know what the hell nature is exactly.

    But I guess I'll just end here.
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    What? You're saying that tolerance is deranged, and intolerance is sanity? Wow. Not in my world it's not. It sounds to me as if you honestly feel that anyone who doesn't share your beliefs, your revulsion for those with whom you disagree, is basically... insane for not agreeing with you. Have I misunderstood?
    I'm saying tolerance crosses the line, goes to far, when in the name of tolerance we're forced to swallow lies and play PC games to the point that reality is bent.

    I'll happily tolerate a woman who says she enjoys dressing like a lumberjack. I'll only tolerate her insisting to me she's a man and her clitoris is a penis for so long before I call bull****.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    A man who sexually prefers other men is not lying. You don't have to put aside reality and facts to believe him when he claims he prefers men.

    A man who tells you he's a woman is asking you to accept a lie, an illusion.

    They're not even close to comparable.
    They're the same and they're not the same.

    Read about what one of these poor souls has gone thru and then imagine your son or daughter or spouse coming to you and telling you they have always felt trapped in a body of the wrong sex.

    This is easy to make fun of, easy to attack. It's not so easy to empathize over.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I'm asked to play along when the media reports the first man has given birth...
    Oh, I see. Its like when the media tells me Britney Spears is important and I have to go along with it.

    FWIW, I don't see where anyone has to "go along with it" but the more I think about it I'm intrigued by the idea of having sex with a man that used to be a woman.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I'm asked to play along when the media reports the first man has given birth. I'm asked to play along when laws are made telling us men can use womens bathrooms, gym showers, etc because they believe they're women and so we ALL have to believe they're women. I'm asked to play along when a teacher leaves school in June as a woman and returns in the fall as a man and doesn't have enough sensitivity to the young children involved to bother switching schools and of course NOBODY better force them to switch schools because that would be intolerant. Nor can any parent remove their child from that class without withdrawing entirely from the school.

    There's lots of ways we're all asked to play along and occasionally it's time for a reality check.

    FWIW I would prefer my kid be taught by a man who claims he prefers women clothes vs. being taught by a man who claims he's a woman.

    One is sane albeit off the beaten path while the other is a ridiculous fabrication that definitely borders on insane.
    So what if he thinks he's a woman? Many transsexuals who have gone through therapy aren't unstable. They aren't "insane." Again, it doesn't make sense to use words such as "mentally unstable" or "mental defect" to describe the situation.

    There is a pathology, yes. But is it dangerous? No. Harmful? No.
    So what makes them unfit to be a teacher, or any other career?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    Oh, I see. Its like when the media tells me Britney Spears is important and I have to go along with it.

    FWIW, I don't see where anyone has to "go along with it" but the more I think about it I'm intrigued by the idea of having sex with a man that used to be a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They're the same and they're not the same.

    Read about what one of these poor souls has gone thru and then imagine your son or daughter or spouse coming to you and telling you they have always felt trapped in a body of the wrong sex.

    This is easy to make fun of, easy to attack. It's not so easy to empathize over.
    I can have compassion for a person who believes they're trapped in the wrong body. What I can't do is pretend along with them that the big sums of money they paid to a dr to chop of their balls changes reality.

    I don't buy into the notion that a knife can heal all forms of dysphoria. If there is a wrong that can actually be corrected with a knife then I can jump on board.

    But if the problem is that you're a man then the knife isn't gonna change that. You'll be a man preop. You'll be a man post op. If YOU believe the surgery successfully changed your gender that's your delusion. Don't try selling it to me.

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