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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    What about people who are genetically female but have penises? Are they male or female? What about the opposite, are they male or female?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Do the male to females keep their prostate?

    I just think at a certain point you can't have it both ways. You can't on the one hand say this is a legitimate ailment or deformation or whatever that causes mental anguish and on the second hand say these folks are normal healthy mentally sound individuals.

    If drs. could turn a man into a woman or vice versa then you could argue they were ailing and now they're cured.

    But since drs. can only indulge the fantasy and attempt a replica of the preferred gender then you have to basically admit if they were mental pre op they're mental post op.

    I don't see how you get around that.
    A question, please. You've repeatedly stated that "a man can't be a woman and a woman can't be a man", then you've backed that up by the "mulitalation" of the bodies. Are you presuming that a man can't be a woman because a transgendered female does not have ovaries and a uterus? If so, do you believe a woman who has had a hysterectomy is no longer a real female? You mentioned the prostrat. My husband no longer has one... cancer, you see. Does that mean he isn't a male any more?

    I tend to think people are more than the sum of their parts. I wonder if you do.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I see no reason to indulge your nonsense.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    You'd have to give me considerably more sources to detail that allegation, since there have been more than once case of transexual teachers (one in California and one in New Jersey that I know of), and not once did those articles go into any detail about the psychological and medical prepping prior to implementing hormone therapies. Hormone therapies, as you know, are implemented for some months prior to surgery, and in the two cases I referenced we know only that the hormone therapies were started over the summer months, not that surgery had also been performed.

    BTW, the healing time for a surgery of that magnitude is about two months. My guess is that they started the hormone therapies one summer, and planned the surgeries for the next summer. But hey, if you have more in-depth information, please feel free to offer me a source.

    Just curious. Why do you care to the point of anger?
    I'm not angry. I just think it all gets to be too much. What if our woman turned man turned pregnant person were a school teacher?

    A woman who leaves school and becomes a man over the course of one summer. Then a few years later the man comes to school with a belly having gotten knocked up over the summer?

    Then the media proudly announces "Our very first pregnant man!"

    It just gets to be too much. And as I've said previously the new thing is to institute these "sex changes" even earlier, for better results.

    I balk at the insanity of it all. I'm not angry but I'm not going to sit by pretend like 10 likes to that "gender" is a made up societal concept. That it's perfectly mentally sound to be a woman who becomes a man who then gets pregnant.

    It is impossible to ignore the obvious mental component to all this. It's absurd to pretend there aren't mental issues involved and it's ridiculous to pretend surgery offers a cure when the man or woman comes out of surgery the exact same sex they were when they went in.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    A question, please. You've repeatedly stated that "a man can't be a woman and a woman can't be a man", then you've backed that up by the "mulitalation" of the bodies. Are you presuming that a man can't be a woman because a transgendered female does not have ovaries and a uterus? If so, do you believe a woman who has had a hysterectomy is no longer a real female? You mentioned the prostrat. My husband no longer has one... cancer, you see. Does that mean he isn't a male any more?

    I tend to think people are more than the sum of their parts. I wonder if you do.
    I know you're attempting to debate me and yet you're proving my case. A woman can have her boobs removed due to cancer and she's still a woman. A man can have his prostate removed and viola he's still a man. Whatever your chromosomes say you are, you are and no surgical manipulation can change that so why not love your body, be glad it's healthy, and then express yourself through clothing choice?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Do the male to females keep their prostate?
    No, the prostate is generally retained, except in rare cases where it is accidentally damaged during the process of creating a vaginal cavity within the perineum.
    Prostatectomy is an extremely serious surgical procedure, which often results in severe, life-long side effects such as urinary incontinence.
    But in post-op male-to-fem trannies, the prostate shrinks to almost nothing, due to the combined effects of androgen deprivation and estrogen supplementation.
    Post-op trannies generally do require hormone therapy for life, but so do a lot of women, at least after menopause (and during their fertile years, many are on hormone therapy for contraceptive purposes as well).
    So-called "neo-vaginas" (tranny vaginas) do not have any natural lubrication, and so require some form of lubricant to have sex. On the other hand, neither do born women, at any other time than during their reproductive years. After menopause, they too require lube to have sex.

    It's very interesting to me. Yes, I'm sure a post-op tranny's body and hormones differ from those of a born woman, but women's bodies also differ so much from one phase of life to another that who really gives a crap?
    Nature never intended post-menopausal females to have sex. They're obviously not meant to, biologically or hormonally speaking. Yet most of them do, and they use whatever artificial aids are necessary to make this possible, and nobody frowns upon it.
    That right there proves that this objection to transexuals as "unnatural" is a fallacy.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Because the physical gender is what it is. The problem lies in the mind not accepting the physical reality.
    Translation: Pray the gay away.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I'm not angry. I just think it all gets to be too much. What if our woman turned man turned pregnant person were a school teacher?

    A woman who leaves school and becomes a man over the course of one summer. Then a few years later the man comes to school with a belly having gotten knocked up over the summer?

    Then the media proudly announces "Our very first pregnant man!"
    "What if's" really don't cut it when dealing with very real people who have very real lives. Looking at the rare exception and basically chortling "aha!" still doesn't answer the question I asked in my first post, the question you avoided: Why do you care what individuals and their physicians do if they all decide it's more likely than not to improve the patient's quality of life? Why is it your business at all?

    Besides, since the "man" got pregnant, it's obvious that the transgender in question never had the surgery.

    It just gets to be too much. And as I've said previously the new thing is to institute these "sex changes" even earlier, for better results.

    I balk at the insanity of it all. I'm not angry but I'm not going to sit by pretend like 10 likes to that "gender" is a made up societal concept. That it's perfectly mentally sound to be a woman who becomes a man who then gets pregnant.

    It is impossible to ignore the obvious mental component to all this. It's absurd to pretend there aren't mental issues involved and it's ridiculous to pretend surgery offers a cure when the man or woman comes out of surgery the exact same sex they were when they went in.
    Surgery doesn't offer a cure. Surgery cannot yet implant reproductive organs on transgenders of either sex. Nobody has said that it could. What people have said is that for some individuals with the brain of one gender and the genatalia of another gender, hormone therapy and surgery will make them happier and give them a better quality of life.

    I repeat, why would you deny them that... and why do you care?
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Translation: Pray the gay away.

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    Yeah except you epically fail at it.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon
    Translation: Pray the gay away.

    Oh look, I can play this game too!
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah except you epically fail at it.
    As evidenced by the fact that you're still here.

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