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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    As Cap'n noted, a real transexual is someone who actually is born in a body of the wrong sex. A female born male, or a male born female.
    This is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. You can no more be a man trapped in a woman's body than you can be a bird trapped in a human's body.

    These people need mental help not plastic surgery.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious George View Post
    This is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. You can no more be a man trapped in a woman's body than you can be a bird trapped in a human's body.

    These people need mental help not plastic surgery.
    And once you show your Ph.D. in Psychology, Biology, and Genetics, your word will be law.

    We don't know what causes our perception of gender. The physical exhibition of this (male or female genetalia, chromosomes, etc...) are only one facet of biology. Further, your analogy of a bird in a human body (trans-speciesism) is flawed. This is a delusion, alleviated by psychotherapy/psychotropic medications. One who is, truly transsexual will not be affected by either of these modalities. This is one way, and a good one at that, to determine the validity of one's claim that that they are transsexual. Are they distressed by their gender? Does psychiatric intervention alleviate this distress? Are their confounding issues that impact their gender perception? The answers to these questions assist in making the determination.

    Your perception that this is a cut and dry issue is completely erroneous.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And once you show your Ph.D. in Psychology, Biology, and Genetics, your word will be law.
    I don't need a Ph.D. to know riduculous when I hear it. By the way, where is your Ph.D., doctor? I'm sure you have a copy you'll show me.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We don't know what causes our perception of gender.
    I know what causes perception of mine. I have lots of man parts and no woman parts. I can understand being confused if you're a hermaphrodite. Likewise, I can understand being confused about your species if you look like a human except for your wings, beak and feathers. Absent the presence of any physical evidence to the contrary, you are what you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The physical exhibition of this (male or female genetalia, chromosomes, etc...) are only one facet of biology. Further, your analogy of a bird in a human body (trans-speciesism) is flawed. This is a delusion, alleviated by psychotherapy/psychotropic medications. One who is, truly transsexual will not be affected by either of these modalities.
    Okay, so your assertion is that a man who believes he is a woman, who can not have this delusion alleviated by therapy or medication, must be a woman. What about a man who believes he is a bird who does not have this delusion alleviated by one of those two methods? Is he really a bird?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your perception that this is a cut and dry issue is completely erroneous.
    Your assertion that it's not is completely ridiculous.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious George View Post
    I don't need a Ph.D. to know riduculous when I hear it. By the way, where is your Ph.D., doctor? I'm sure you have a copy you'll show me.
    I think my advanced degree in Psychology trumps anything you've got. It's moot, though. In truth, my comment was directed at the fact that all you mentioned was your opinion. You added no facts or information. Made your position about as solid as a piece of swiss cheese.

    I know what causes perception of mine. I have lots of man parts and no woman parts. I can understand being confused if you're a hermaphrodite. Likewise, I can understand being confused about your species if you look like a human except for your wings, beak and feathers. Absent the presence of any physical evidence to the contrary, you are what you are.
    You are talking about only one part of biology. The information in the brain gives us other information. It defines our sexuality, for one. It, also, contributes to our perception of gender. Your thinking is decidedly rigid.

    Okay, so your assertion is that a man who believes he is a woman, who can not have this delusion alleviated by therapy or medication, must be a woman. What about a man who believes he is a bird who does not have this delusion alleviated by one of those two methods? Is he really a bird?
    Did you read what I wrote? Re-read the information about distress. Further, show some examples of people who believe they are a bird and haven't been helped by psychotherapy and medication. Having worked, extensively, with people with delusions, I haven't seen anyone assisted, at least to some degree, by one of these two methods.

    Your assertion that it's not is completely ridiculous.
    Your ability to ignore the obtusness of your position is astounding, but since you offer no facts or information, just an opinion based on nothing, except, I suspect, some sort of bias, I am not surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    It might do well for discussion to point out that years ago, the DSM defined Homosexuality as a mental disorder. It is no longer defined that way.

    Homosexuality is just a different sexual orientation, as is being a Transsexual. Those that think that Transsexuals are "mentally disturbed" or have a "mental disorder" are wrong, in the same way that people used to think that Homosexuals are "mentally disturbed" or have a "mental disorder."

    DSM-IV Gender Identity Disorder and Transvestic Fetishism

    In this link the diagnostic information is available. Notice that it does not mention ducks or any other type of birds.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    All homos are mentally ill pukes.

    Transgendered homos are just another kind of pervert

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Crazier than a ****-house rat.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    It might do well for discussion to point out that years ago, the DSM defined Homosexuality as a mental disorder. It is no longer defined that way.

    Homosexuality is just a different sexual orientation, as is being a Transsexual. Those that think that Transsexuals are "mentally disturbed" or have a "mental disorder" are wrong, in the same way that people used to think that Homosexuals are "mentally disturbed" or have a "mental disorder."

    DSM-IV Gender Identity Disorder and Transvestic Fetishism

    In this link the diagnostic information is available. Notice that it does not mention ducks or any other type of birds.
    My basis for my beliefs is that every reputable psychiatric organization supports transexualism as a real, albeit rare, occurence.
    All individuals and organizations which denounce transexualism as a mere "mental disorder" tend not to be credible or reputable, in my opinion; at least not in medical circles (which is what matters, in this situation). Rather, they tend to be affiliated with religious groups or far-right-wing extremists pushing some conservative agenda or other.

    I agree with Cap'n's assessment that many people who believe they are transsexual and want to change genders aren't really- for instance, women who have been severely sexually mistreated as children, are now lesbians, and wish to have sex reassignment surgery. They are not men trapped in women's bodies. They are women who have been hurt because they are female, and wish to change this so that nobody will hurt them that way anymore. They would benefit more from psychiatric treatment than from sex reassignment surgery, which would not address the underlying problem of abuse.
    This is why individuals applying for sex reassignment have to undergo batteries of psychiatric tests to ensure that it will actually be appropriate, healthy, and beneficial in their particular case; it is a long, slow process.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud View Post
    All homos are mentally ill pukes.

    Transgendered homos are just another kind of pervert
    What a perfect time for this troll to show up. And no, it isn't my sockpuppet, the Mods can check and prove it no doubt. I haven't been able to get across to jallman that the level of bigotry that he thinks should be allowed against the transgender issue is the same level that used to be perfectly acceptable against gays.

    jallman, how would you like it if you were still regularly treated with this attitude and everyone around you thought it was perfectly fine, even participated in failing to understand the dilemna that you were in?
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud View Post
    All homos are mentally ill pukes.

    Transgendered homos are just another kind of pervert
    What makes them a pervert?
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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