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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    What if there was a medical procedure that could help you realize that dream? Would you do it? If no, why not?
    No, because I know I am not a 6'4" African American NBA All-star. I'm an average height white boy with the b-ball skillz of a blind, pigeon toed parapalegic.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    What if there was a medical procedure that could help you realize that dream? Would you do it? If no, why not?
    Wasn't this, like, the exact plot of a South Park episode?
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wasn't this, like, the exact plot of a South Park episode?
    Dunno. I don't understand that show so I don't watch it.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Note it. Write it down. Take a picture. Link to it in your favorites. I don't give a flying rat's ass. When Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder looks down and sees bits and pieces she wishes were something else and starts acting on that contrary to the reality that Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder is actually a she, it's just that: PRETEND.

    Hell, I wish I was 6'4" and black so I could be a good basketball player. For me to carry on as if that were true would be nothing more than pretend. Is there a African American NBA All-Star Pretend Disorder, too?



    No, nature does.



    No, nature does.



    I never made the first assertion as to "who" they are, simply WHAT they are. And yes, genitalia decides that.



    Having a penis certainly defines a big part of who I am. That's because I don't have Gender Pretend Disorder.



    I already conceded that Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder has a perception problem. But this isn't about perception. It's about Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder trying to pretend to be the opposite gender from what she is.



    I will refer to it however I wish.
    It's such a pity Jallman...

    At last, I thought, you and I were going to finally discuss something where you don't talk thru your ass. Your post come off as insensitive, pompous, and childish.

    It seems every time I encounter you, you just want to revert back to this childishness. Again, I am robbed of a meaningful conversation with you. If you wish to discuss this like adults, cease the childishness.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    jallman, here are your comments from an earlier post:

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    This is how I view it. Even given that the transexual's mental disturbance isn't the fact that they have the wrong sex organs in that they are correct in feeling their body doesn't match their identity, this still has to cause other complications. I can't believe that not being in the right body doesn't cause some other pathologies to form because the mental stress and anguish has to be insurmountable. Captain even referred to "stress" being alleviated by addressing the issue.

    So, in effect, though the transexualism might not be the mental defect, I still believe that it is almost guaranteed that there will be some mental defect as a result of the transexualism.
    You seem to be contradicting yourself. " I can't believe that not being in the right body doesn't cause some other pathologies to form because the mental stress and anguish has to be insurmountable." This is a good description of GID. Here are the criteria used to diagnose GID:

    1) There must be evidence of a strong and persistent cross-gender identification.
    2) This cross-gender identification must not merely be a desire for any perceived cultural advantages of being the other sex.
    3) There must also be evidence of persistent discomfort about one's assigned sex or a sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex.
    4) The individual must not have a concurrent physical intersex condition (e.g., androgen insensitivity syndrome or congenital adrenal hyperplasia).
    5) There must be evidence of clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
    Note numbers 3 and 5. You indicate stress and anguish about being in the wrong body. This is consistent with the diagnosis.

    This is no "pretend" disorder. The distress is quite real and has a specific cause. Now, as I said before, teasing out someone with GID from someone who has other psychological problems that are manifesting themselves with psychosexual symptoms is important in making the diagnosis.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    What if someone is a man/woman born in a hermaphrodite's body?

    Is there any documentation of that happening?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    jallman, here are your comments from an earlier post:



    You seem to be contradicting yourself. " I can't believe that not being in the right body doesn't cause some other pathologies to form because the mental stress and anguish has to be insurmountable." This is a good description of GID. Here are the criteria used to diagnose GID:



    Note numbers 3 and 5. You indicate stress and anguish about being in the wrong body. This is consistent with the diagnosis.

    This is no "pretend" disorder. The distress is quite real and has a specific cause. Now, as I said before, teasing out someone with GID from someone who has other psychological problems that are manifesting themselves with psychosexual symptoms is important in making the diagnosis.
    I don't believe Jallman thinks the disorder itself is "pretend."

    He asserted a "surgical solution" which involves manipulation/mutilation of ones genitals offers up a "pretend" delusion. The man who genuinely thinks he is in the wrong body cannot become a woman no matter how many surgical alterations he undergoes, no matter how many drugs he takes. No matter what he does he will still be a man, albeit an altered man. But a man nonetheless, not a woman. That's where the fantasy/pretend/delusion part comes into play. With surgery and hormones the aim is to get as close to the goal as possible so you can pretend you are in the "right" body. So you can pretend you are the right gender.

    But you're not. You can't be. A man can't become a woman and vice versa. I'm sure the disorder is real. I'm sure there are folks who really feel like they are in the wrong body. But there's no surgical solution to that which doesn't involve fantasy and pretending, as Jallman said.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't believe Jallman thinks the disorder itself is "pretend."

    He asserted a "surgical solution" which involves manipulation/mutilation of ones genitals offers up a "pretend" delusion. The man who genuinely thinks he is in the wrong body cannot become a woman no matter how many surgical alterations he undergoes, no matter how many drugs he takes. No matter what he does he will still be a man, albeit an altered man. But a man nonetheless, not a woman. That's where the fantasy/pretend/delusion part comes into play. With surgery and hormones the aim is to get as close to the goal as possible so you can pretend you are in the "right" body. So you can pretend you are the right gender.

    But you're not. You can't be. A man can't become a woman and vice versa. I'm sure the disorder is real. I'm sure there are folks who really feel like they are in the wrong body. But there's no surgical solution to that which doesn't involve fantasy and pretending, as Jallman said.
    Does an amputee pretend that he has a new arm when given a prosthetic? Does a man who had heart replacement surgery pretend that he has a new heart? Does an old woman who is hooked up to a respirator machine pretend that the machine is her new lungs?

    These are solutions. Not "pretend" or "fantasy" things.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    As an addendum to my last post:

    Again, Jallman could have chosen much better words in his post. "Obsession" "mutilate" and "pretend" were not accurate. These are clearly offensive, and uncalled for.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    As an addendum to my last post:

    Again, Jallman could have chosen much better words in his post. "Obsession" "mutilate" and "pretend" were not accurate. These are clearly offensive, and uncalled for.
    Particularly from someone whose lifestyle choice would be characterized with similar terms not so long ago. A man who recently married his boyfriend and yet votes and promotes the party that would take that away from him, that thinks he is a disgrace to family values.
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