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Thread: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I chose exactly the words I intended to use because they are the words that most accurately describe the issue.
    Wrong. Simply because those who suffer the disorder are not "pretending." Your notion that they "pretend" to be someone they are not is basically mocking the disorder. Your lack of seriousness is duly noted.

    If the bits and pieces are male and the sufferer of Gender Pretend Disorder wants them to be female, it is make believe because the bits and pieces are still male until they are surgically mutilated to fit the pretend perception the sufferer of Gender Pretend Disorder has of itself.
    And you are the judge of that? You get to tell what people think they are? Do you get to decide who they should be based on their genitalia? Does having a dick and pussy define who you are?

    Your perception of yourself begins with your perception, not your body.

    If you're serious about discussing Gender Identity Disorder, could you at the very least refer to it with its proper name.
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    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Exactly a dickless man is not a woman. Big fake tits are big fake tits. Pretend was the perfect word choice.
    Not all transsexuals undergo surgery. But nevertheless still suffer from GID. Again, it begins with their self-perception, not their bodies.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

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    Transsexual Women's Successes:

    Approximately 30,000 to 40,000 postoperative transsexual women live in the United States, and many thousands more are now in the process of gender transition here. These numbers are much larger than commonly assumed by the public because a veil of invisibility hides the true nature and extent of the transsexual condition. Especially hidden are large numbers of highly successful women who have fully transitioned. The reason is that most successful women live in "stealth mode" or are "woodworked". They leave their pasts behind and hide in plain sight in order to avoid social stigmatization and get on with their new lives. Their personal successes insure that they assimilate and blend right into society.

    The social invisibility of successful women who have undergone gender corrections supports the notion that male-to-female transsexualism is extremely rare. However, intense transsexualism is not all that uncommon. Recent calculations indicate that the condition occurs in about 1 out of every 250 to 500 children born as boys, and that about 1 in every 2500 males in the U.S. has already undergone surgical sex reassignment*. Transsexualism is thus more than twice as prevalent as multiple sclerosis (MS), cerebral palsy or cleft lip/palate conditions.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Not all transsexuals undergo surgery. But nevertheless still suffer from GID. Again, it begins with their self-perception, not their bodies.
    Yeah, especially transgendered women.
    A lot of them merely have their breasts removed, take male hormones, and work out a lot, which pretty much makes them look superficially like men (facial hair, deepened voices, etc). The hormones- excuse the graphicness- enlarge their clitorises somewhat, making them sort of like really small dicks, which apparently can become erect, although of course they can't ejaculate or pee out of them like men do, since their urethras are located elsewhere.

    This seems to be enough for most female-to-male transexuals.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    *raises hand*
    Is knowing a transsexual actually a common thing in larger cities?
    It is in NY, but you probably already knew that.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz View Post
    It is in NY, but you probably already knew that.
    Not really. Dayton, OH isn't exactly the most cosmopolitan place in the world. My knowledge of transgendered people is pretty much confined to Chris Crocker, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and Rent.
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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not really. Dayton, OH isn't exactly the most cosmopolitan place in the world. My knowledge of transgendered people is pretty much confined to Chris Crocker, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and Rent.
    Well, like I said, my city had two of them running against each other for mayor in 2004.
    It's pretty commonplace here.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    I was actually looking for the "misunderstood" option on the poll, since this thread itself shows that transexuals are very much misunderstood. The issue is complex, as others have articulated already better than I could. Now I've not personally known any transexuals... at least I don't think I have, although I doubt a casual acquaintance or co-worker would announce his/her status upon introduction... but I personally have great empathy for someone who genuinely feels like a stranger in his/her own skin.

    Now I've always been a woman. I like being a woman. I try to understand what a transexual might feel by imagining myself undressing in front of a mirror and suddenly seeing a package of male genitalia hanging where it most definitely should not be. No way would I just say, "oh, guess I'm a man now" and run out to buy dockers and condoms. I would be saying, "Good God, doctor, cut this horrible thing OFF."

    So I can imagine how someone might feel if the above scenario was real rather than imagined.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Wrong. Simply because those who suffer the disorder are not "pretending." Your notion that they "pretend" to be someone they are not is basically mocking the disorder. Your lack of seriousness is duly noted.
    Note it. Write it down. Take a picture. Link to it in your favorites. I don't give a flying rat's ass. When Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder looks down and sees bits and pieces she wishes were something else and starts acting on that contrary to the reality that Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder is actually a she, it's just that: PRETEND.

    Hell, I wish I was 6'4" and black so I could be a good basketball player. For me to carry on as if that were true would be nothing more than pretend. Is there a African American NBA All-Star Pretend Disorder, too?

    And you are the judge of that?
    No, nature does.

    You get to tell what people think they are?
    No, nature does.

    Do you get to decide who they should be based on their genitalia?
    I never made the first assertion as to "who" they are, simply WHAT they are. And yes, genitalia decides that.

    Does having a dick and pussy define who you are?
    Having a penis certainly defines a big part of who I am. That's because I don't have Gender Pretend Disorder.

    Your perception of yourself begins with your perception, not your body.
    I already conceded that Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder has a perception problem. But this isn't about perception. It's about Ms. Gender Pretend Disorder trying to pretend to be the opposite gender from what she is.

    If you're serious about discussing Gender Identity Disorder, could you at the very least refer to it with its proper name.
    I will refer to it however I wish.

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    Re: Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Hell, I wish I was 6'4" and black so I could be a good basketball player. For me to carry on as if that were true would be nothing more than pretend. Is there a African American NBA All-Star Pretend Disorder, too?
    What if there was a medical procedure that could help you realize that dream? Would you do it? If no, why not?

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