WI Crippler

Just a discussion I had with the in-laws this last weekend.

I thought I'd bring it up here.

__________________
"What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."- Reg

ARealConservative

Only if I am entitled to sex if capable.

Kandahar

No. They are entitled to SEARCH for a job or CREATE a job if they are capable. But they have no right to HAVE a job.

__________________
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams

rivrrat

Of course not. I'm actually having a hard time coming up with anything that someone is "entitled" to.

__________________
The Supreme Court has ruled that they cannot have a nativity scene in Washington, D.C. This wasn't for any religious reasons. They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

ARealConservative

the fruits of their labor

DeeJayH

I thought this was going to be an interesting thread until i realized everybody agreed with me

__________________
These days it seems that the deadliest place on earth for an American to be is inside the womb. - Joshua P. Allem

rivrrat

Okay, I'll give you that.

new coup for you

well you used the magic "right-wing anger word" entitled, so everyone will say no. Conservatives hate "entitlements". They are not "entitled" to giant houses in the suburbs and cheap gasoline so they can get to their jobs, that's the American Dream. It's very different from an entitlement, it has American right in the name. The price of gasoline actually representing a reasonable supply/demand equation is a "crisis", people out of work is just "the market". Federal money to give children healthcare is an "entitlement", federal money to build a vast highway so people can live in 5,000 sq ft. McMansions 40 miles away from their job is just progress. Federal programs to give public school children breakfasts is "big government", hundreds of billions on a war on a country that's never attacked us is "patriotic". And if you think about it, it's really sex education that's immoral, not supporting slave labor and sending-jobs abroad by shopping at places like Wal-Mart.

Damn entitlements.

__________________
And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike.

Tucker Case

I'm torn. A part of me wants to say yes and a part wants to say no. I think that's because the question is oversimplified.

By my definition, capable means willing to work your ass off to get the job. If they are capable according to my definition I say "yes, they are 'entitled' to a job", but if the person doing the hiring is also capable, they will see that and hire them willingly so they are being freely given the job.

But if "capable" is defined as "physically" just being able to perform the tasks accurately, there is definitely no entitlement to a job.

But the idea that "citizens" could be entitled to a job as opposed to no-citizens is throwing another monkey wrench into the discussion because the most capable person may not always be a citizen (in fact often isn't), so why should the less capable citizen have priority over the more capable non-citizen? (this is using my definition of capable).



To me it seems that we are dealing with too many different questions to give a sure answer in any direction.

jfuh

No, no one is entitled to any job, and even if you work, you are not entitled to any monetary amount.
In terms of employment and the market no one is entitled to anything.
Just because you show up for work doesn't me you can continue getting a salary, and definitely doesn't mean that you are entitled to continue your employment simply because you show up.
The sensation of entitlement is but one of the many aspects of our society that needs to change.
Just because you are a citizen does not entitle you to a higher paying wage than a permanent resident or someone on an H1 visa.

__________________
The facts and science of the theory of anthropogenic Global warming