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Thread: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill...........................

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post



    That study sounds like utter bull ****. Are you saying crime would not rise if we abolished prisons and other forms of punishment?
    I propose that all violent criminals be paroled to half way houses next door to members and supporters of the ACLU....
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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The way the hypothetical was described it sounds like the magic pill works with 100% efficacy on a single dose. That is obviously very important in determining the answer to the question.


    I say "Yes, release them" for the following reasons.

    Based on the "hypothetical", the existence of the magic pill would be unequivocal proof that the criminalty was caused by a disease. Thus the criminal is not responsible for their behavior and vengence is unwarranted
    Pedophilia is a mental disease, should pedophiles who rape/molest children be excused from their crimes because they have a disease?Should they be shown leniency for their crimes?


    There are two ONLY real (i.e. non-emotionally based) goals of incarceration and both as a detterant:

    1. As a detterent of current crime by removing criminals from a postion where they can commit crimes
    2. As a detterent for future crime (this can be recidivist crime, or potential crime form a person who fears incarceration/punishment)
    Wrong, those are not the only real goals of incarceration. The main goal of incarceration is punishment for a crime they committed. To ignore that fact is to ignore that they committed the crime in the first place and a disregard for the victims of these criminals.You people(scumbag sympathizers)show as much regard for the victims as the criminals(scumbags) do.The fact they are reformed does not change the fact they committed a crime and therefore have to pay for it.
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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I propose that all violent criminals be paroled to half way houses next door to members and supporters of the ACLU....
    I agree,I think that is a excellent idea.We can put Chester the child molester next door to the ones with children,We can put the burglars,scammers,thieves and car jackers next to the ones who are the wealthiest,the rapist can live next to the ones who have hot wives and teenage daughters and we can do a lottery to see which ones the murderers,arsonist,drug dealers, and other criminals will live next door to.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Pedophilia is a mental disease, should pedophiles who rape/molest children be excused from their crimes because they have a disease?Should they be shown leniency for their crimes?

    Wrong, those are not the only real goals of incarceration. The main goal of incarceration is punishment for a crime they committed. To ignore that fact is to ignore that they committed the crime in the first place and a disregard for the victims of these criminals.

    You people(scumbag sympathizers)show as much regard for the victims as the criminals(scumbags) do.The fact they are reformed does not change the fact they committed a crime and therefore have to pay for it.
    HOw are my two reasons for incarceration sympathetic to the scumbags?

    Don't they LOGICALLY create a situation where life imprisonment is likely especially for those who may have incurable mental disorders like Pedophilia?

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wrong, those are not the only real goals of incarceration. The main goal of incarceration is punishment for a crime they committed.
    Says who? There are plenty of theories of punishment - what you're espousing is merely one of them.
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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree,I think that is a excellent idea.We can put Chester the child molester next door to the ones with children,We can put the burglars,scammers,thieves and car jackers next to the ones who are the wealthiest,the rapist can live next to the ones who have hot wives and teenage daughters and we can do a lottery to see which ones the murderers,arsonist,drug dealers, and other criminals will live next door to.
    In the world of this hypothetical construct, this shouldn't be a problem at all, and in some ways, it is much safer toe be around the diagnosed adn "cured" criminal than the "undiagnosed" and "uncured" one.

    In the world created by the hypothetical construct, I'd actually PREFER to live next to convicted offenders who I know to be 110% harmless now.

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    because they committed a crime that is why you force criminals to carry out their sentence.
    And you would never parole a criminal who reforms? What incentive do you see that would change a criminal's ways if there was never any form of early release? Try and get off the righteous soapbox and think about what happens in reality - in the real world, some prisoners change their ways and genuinely want to reform their lives. The parole system (at its best) is an incentive not to re-offend.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how alot of posters seem to have absolutely no regard for the victims of these criminals the term scumbag sympathizers seems fitting.
    You are making assumptions. Arguing the case for parole and for people to change their lives is not a failure to pay regard to victims.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That study sounds like utter bull ****. Are you saying crime would not rise if we abolished prisons and other forms of punishment?
    Another assumption I'm afraid. What scucca and I spoke about was the failure of harsher sentencing to have any effect on reducing crime. Read the posts again, there is a general deterrent effect but nothing more than that. If you believe anything to the contrary you are welcome to post proof or studies to back yourself up......

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    And you would never parole a criminal who reforms? What incentive do you see that would change a criminal's ways if there was never any form of early release?
    To be fair, early release is dominated by simple compliance. A full sentence and a lessened sentence is enabled to ensure easier behaviour amongst inmate.

    What scucca and I spoke about was the failure of harsher sentencing to have any effect on reducing crime.
    The biggest problem for the maximisation of prison deterrence effects is certainly the Conservative (with that unfortunate upper c) attitude

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    fyi Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Lets say if it was possible to rehabilitate every criminal and make them feel remorse with a single pill and there were no chances of relapses, should criminals be given the pill and released immediately back into society (not have to serve out a punishment) or should they still serve out what ever punishment the courts gave them?

    I believe rehabilitation is one of the goals of the prison system,but not a priority.Punishment is the main priority of the justice system,deterrence of criminal activity is the second priority.
    If the pill would cure him from committing any additional criminal activities, there would be no rational reason to keep him in prison. Release him and let him be a productive citizen. In addition, save the taxpayers' money that would be spent on incarceration.

    Of course, a pill like that is probably little (if anything) more than fantasy. However, there is a medical procedure that has proven itself to be very effective in greatly reducing certain types of criminal behavior, especially violence and sex crimes--CASTRATION. Experiments have been done in the late 1800's, and people who had been castrated became more docile and seldom, if ever, repeated any violent acts.

    Instead of paying taxes to lock up violent criminals, why not castrate them? Then they could be released. Most of them would probably become productive citizens. This is much more humane than locking them up in cages for the rest of their lives.

    Of course, any repeaters could be sent back to prison.

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    If the pill would cure him from committing any additional criminal activities, there would be no rational reason to keep him in prison.
    Basic libertarian error. First, you're not appreciating the pill's attack on the notion of free will and therefore the whole notion of rationality. Second, in terms of deterrence effects, you're ignoring the interdependence of the public (and therefore the need to maintain prison populations)

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