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Thread: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill...........................

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do the crime you do the time.
    The time is a punishment and a deterrent both are in hopes of insuring people do not want to break laws. If we had the magical pill that did the same what purpose would serving time be? We would just waste another life and the money to support that wasted life while in prison.

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    The time is a punishment and a deterrent both are in hopes of insuring people do not want to break laws. If we had the magical pill that did the same what purpose would serving time be? We would just waste another life and the money to support that wasted life while in prison.
    If you only viewed prison as merely a hospital for criminals in other words reform, then letting them go after taking the pill makes sense. I however view that the main purpose of prison is punishment for a crime committed and that punishment itself a deterrent. A magical pill is no deterrent,nor is it punishment nor is it justice for the victims of these criminals.
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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Lets say if it was possible to rehabilitate every criminal and make them feel remorse with a single pill and there were no chances of relapses,should criminals be given the pill and released immediately back into society/not have to serve out a punishment or should they still serve out what ever punishment the courts gave them

    I believe rehabilitation is one of the goals of the prison system,but not a priority.Punishment is the main priority of the justice system,deterrence of criminal activity is the second priority.
    Feeling remorse after the fact does not justify innocence. They still committed the crime knowing well enough that the circumstances were under control. So unless the criminal was completely oblivious to their actions and had no control over their actions, then a punishment should still be served.


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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Why do we need a pill? "Ice pick" lobotomies have been around for more than a century I believe, and could certainly be used to turn some of the vilest offenders into useful laborers.

    Besides, using a pill to alter someones personality seems a little less hinest than a method that involves bleeding and pain.
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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you only viewed prison as merely a hospital for criminals in other words reform, then letting them go after taking the pill makes sense. I however view that the main purpose of prison is punishment for a crime committed and that punishment itself a deterrent. A magical pill is no deterrent,nor is it punishment nor is it justice for the victims of these criminals.
    I believe that the long sentences for serious crimes is played off as punishment but in reality it is to keep problematic people out of society. I am a strong supporter of criminal reform. I believe the key to helping both society and criminals serve the same interest is harder but shorter sentences and reforming the criminals instead of tossing away our indesireables.

    When we toss those away that are willing to change in the guise of punishment we are hurting both the criminal and society by wasting lives as well as tax dollars.

    I believe that once someone is truely remorseful and has changed thier ways further punishment serves no real purpose other then making a person hate their lives. It does not make them more remorseful or more reformed and generally longer terms will in fact make the person more likely to hate society.

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe that the long sentences for serious crimes is played off as punishment but in reality it is to keep problematic people out of society. I am a strong supporter of criminal reform. I believe the key to helping both society and criminals serve the same interest is harder but shorter sentences and reforming the criminals instead of tossing away our indesireables.

    When we toss those away that are willing to change in the guise of punishment we are hurting both the criminal and society by wasting lives as well as tax dollars.

    I believe that once someone is truely remorseful and has changed thier ways further punishment serves no real purpose other then making a person hate their lives. It does not make them more remorseful or more reformed and generally longer terms will in fact make the person more likely to hate society.
    Punishment is not about what the offender wants or feels. I am sure that a lot of victims and victim's loved ones are not going to care one way or the other if the offender is genuinely sorry and remorseful or will not victimize another person once outside of prison.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    I think there should still be some sort of punishment. Not for punishments sake so much as for restitution. At least as much restitution as there could be.
    A remorseful person [as stated as a condition in the OP iirc] would wish to make amends as best as he could. And I think it would serve society for such an individual to make amends (as much as amends could be made).
    So I would be in favor of punishment, but some sort of fruitful punishment not just languishing in incarceration.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Of course the focus of any sound criminal justice system will be prevention and deterrence. A focus on purposeless retributive punishment will likely exacerbate the crimes that were targeted by it in the first place.

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Of course the focus of any sound criminal justice system will be prevention and deterrence. A focus on purposeless retributive punishment will likely exacerbate the crimes that were targeted by it in the first place.
    How is there any motivation for criminals to obey the law if the only thing that is going to happen is "here is a pill have a nice day"? What I see happening with this sort of mentality of releasing criminals who take a pill instead of actually punishing them is encouraging vigilante justice.Because after all if the only criminals have to worry about is taking a pill and being released back into society, then so will the grieving father whose daughter was raped or the parents whose son was murdered or the parents whose child was raped and murdered by some pedophile. Retributive punishment( as you call it)administered by the courts is like an unspoken or unwritten agreement with the society so that a angry mob of people do not abduct and administer their own brand of justice anytime someone accuses someone else of wrongdoing. People are not going to trust the courts to administer justice if the courts do not administer justice and will take the law into their own hands to make up for the law's refusal to do so.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 08-29-09 at 01:00 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill.......................

    I never could decide what to say in this thread, because I can't accept the concept of a pill that cures criminality.

    If there were such a thing, the government would probably require everyone to take it, whether you've ever committed a crime or not.

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