Y'all still talking about IQ?
Y'all still talking about IQ?
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Funny, cause I don't know a single one. The only people I know golfing with clients are doing so in addition to their 50 or 60 hour work weeks.I know pleanty of dudes who work 50+ hours a week making 150K while going golfing with clients. etc.
Uh...of course not. One is making 20K and the other is making 150K - why would you trade?They would NEVER trade places with a 20K per year masonry laborer working 40 hours a week of back-breaking labor.
And I presume that's because the skills that you've cultivated now are far more useful than the skills you had when you were a construction worker. The fact that you find the work to be "easier" has no bearing on whether you're working more.Trust me, I've done both. I can worj 80+ hours a week now and stil do less that a quarter tf the work I did as a non-union constructin worker in college.
I don't know a single person (other than a 75+ year old dude I used to work for) who makes a large salary without working at least 50 hour weeks.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
I still maintain that it's harder to have others busting your balls vs. busting your balls in pursuit of your own goals. It's all about upward mobility and the folks that have nowhere to go work the hardest for little reward. People making $150,000 a year are reaping the benefits of their labor. Hardworking folks making less than $30,000 a year with no light at the end of the tunnel are working their arses off in survival mode. They're not working hard to reap greater rewards, they're working to literally put food on the table and there's no comparison between them and the rich and there's no question that their paycheck to paycheck survival mode is harder. Luckily few are "stuck" in such a position long term. But for those who are for whatever reason it's obscene to even suggest rich folks are working harder.
You have quite a romantic view of poverty. I don't think I'd go as far as to say that most people in poverty work hard out of such altruistic preoccupations.but they work hard anyway knowing that while they have blocks in their way their children won't. Illegal immigrants are perfect examples of this. Many of them work multiple jobs and with their illegal status they will never break free of the daily grind. They will always have to work hard to survive in the US without any hope of moving up because of the blocks in their way. They do it though because their kids who are born here will not have the same problems.
Last edited by scourge99; 08-21-08 at 05:38 PM.
If your criteria for hardwork is only based on time at work and physical exertion then yes poor people work harder.
However, I believe stress, responsibility, and the type of work are also factors thus "hardwork" is hard to compare for such different jobs.
you were talking about how poor immigrants can never make themselves into anything because of their illegal status. I was merely pointing out that such isn't an excuse along with other invalid excuses.I never said most people in poverty work hard. And as for people, "who can't learn" I have no clue what you're talking about and it seems off topic.
It's not an excuse, it's a reality. And if I lived in TJ I'd haul my arse across the border too. To many of them it's worth what they go through to insure their children's future. I can empathize with that.you were talking about how poor immigrants can never make themselves into anything because of their illegal status. I was merely pointing out that such isn't an excuse along with other invalid excuses.