Illegal Immigrant Guns Down Family Over Traffic - Page 3

danarhea · 07-24-08, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesrage

Our borders should be militarized and the police should take illegals straight to the deportation facilities.I also voted "other", illegals that are deported should have the fingerprints,photo and DNA sample taken and stored on a database in order to permanently deny that individual entrance into this country. We should also cut off immigration from countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with.

I think think the victims should sue the **** out of Sanfransicko.

What does that have to do with violent crime? Violent crime is not a Hispanic area only. What you want from our government is a good thing, but your straw man is not the way to go about getting it.

jamesrage · 07-24-08, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

What does that have to do with violent crime? Violent crime is not a Hispanic area only. What you want from our government is a good thing, but your straw man is not the way to go about getting it.

The illegal gunning down a family is a direct result of the government refusing to do it's job.It's no different than your neighbor purposely letting his dog run loose in the neighborhood and a child getting bit to death by that bog or a security guard purposely letting people trespass on the property and those trespassers vandalize and steal property.

Kernel Sanders · 07-24-08, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rsixing

Because this individual is illegal does that somehow make this crime more heinous?

No, but the fact that he had committed previous crimes and avoided deportation due to SF laws makes it more tragic. He was known to be in the country illegally and known to be a criminal. He was not deported, but allowed to stay in the country, leading to the deaths of a family of American citizens.

Hatuey · 07-24-08, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

but allowed to stay in the country, leading to the deaths of a family of American citizens.

Him staying in this country didn't lead to the deaths of this family. Him firing an AK-47 on these people did. Regardless of whether or not he was here illegally he would have probably ended up killing somebody else in whatever country he comes from. I do agree with you on it being more tragic but on what led to the deaths of these people.

Kernel Sanders · 07-24-08, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Him staying in this country didn't lead to the deaths of this family. Him firing an AK-47 on these people did. Regardless of whether or not he was here illegally he would have probably ended up killing somebody else in whatever country he comes from. I do agree with you on it being more tragic but on what led to the deaths of these people.

I did not mean that the SF laws caused the shooting in any way shape or form - I am a strong advocate of personal responsibility. Edwin Ramos and Edwin Ramos alone is to blame for this terrible tragedy. What I did mean is that the absence of deportation was a link in the chain of events leading to the killings. There is no reason IMO that illegal immigrants who commit crimes in the US should be allowed to stay here

Hatuey · 07-24-08, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

I did not mean that the SF laws caused the shooting in any way shape or form - I am a strong advocate of personal responsibility. Edwin Ramos and Edwin Ramos alone is to blame for this terrible tragedy. What I did mean is that the absence of deportation was a link in the chain of events leading to the killings. There is no reason IMO that illegal immigrants who commit crimes in the US should be allowed to stay here

I agree. However I believe that there should be a path for many of the hard working illegals to at the very least become legal residents. Deport those that get into serious criminal activity one here.

SgtRock · 07-24-08, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

No, but the fact that he had committed previous crimes and avoided deportation due to SF laws makes it more tragic. He was known to be in the country illegally and known to be a criminal. He was not deported, but allowed to stay in the country, leading to the deaths of a family of American citizens.

Bingo! Ramos has two felony convictions. He should have been turned over to federal authorities for deportation after the first one. How anyone could try to compare this to crimes commited by citizens is beyond me. The SOB should not have been in our country. He's a freekin ILLEGAL for cryin out loud. Now innocent Americans are dead because of this animal and some idiot on this forum will indirectly defend him by attempting to detract from the fact that he dosn't belong here as if the crime its self is the only issue.

Ethereal · 07-24-08, 11:02 PM

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Yes. You don't prevent robberies by removing jaywalkers from society. That's just stupid.

I'm not quite sure how this analogy is in any way accurate as I am not claiming that securing our borders or deporting illegal aliens will have any tangible effect on crime one way or the other. My point is simply that the man who committed this crime didn't belong in our country, period. If the law had been upheld and enforced these people would still be alive, or do you disagree?

Bodhisattva · 07-24-08, 11:57 PM

We deport ILLEGAL Aliens... especially CRIMIAL ILLEGAL Aliens because THEY ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS and THEY ARE INFRINGING ON THE RIGHTS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS. It is that ****ing simple. Surely this is so ****ing obvious that any person not acknowledging it is truly being an asshole on purpose?

danarhea · 07-25-08, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Him staying in this country didn't lead to the deaths of this family. Him firing an AK-47 on these people did. Regardless of whether or not he was here illegally he would have probably ended up killing somebody else in whatever country he comes from. I do agree with you on it being more tragic but on what led to the deaths of these people.

You know, there is irony in the position some people take on this issue. They blame immigration laws instead of the person that did the shooting. I am very surprised that they are not in favor of gun control. After all, according to their logic on immigration, then the gun did it, and not the person who held it.

Now immigration laws need to be toughened, the border militarized, and illegals deported for good, and if we do all that, we will still have crime. Only this time, someone could be posting about those nasty white people who live out in the boonies, and who drink, get crazy, and shoot other people up. Yup, something has to be done about white people. They are ALL crazy. LOL.