Obama Calls For CDR/SA/Peoples Army Police State - Page 2

rsixing · 07-22-08, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by section eight

Um the department of homeland security didn't do anything except improve communications between existing intelligence and police agencies, this statement by Obama proposes creating a Federal police force "peoples army" which would be on par with our military (and that's saying something) that means we will have an armed domestic army permanently stationed within our borders with arrest powers. That's insane and is quite reminiscent of paramilitary secret police like the SA or the CDR's.

Bull****. "Homeland Security" is as goose-stepping as you can get. Even the office identification brings up visages of

Zyphlin · 07-22-08, 04:14 PM

Rsixing is completely right and not using any hyberbole. Just today I grabbed my skull cap and goose stepped to works. Its mandatory for all of us Nazi's that work under the facists regime Der Führer, Michael Chertoff.

Quick, both of you, see who can over exaggerate their claims the most! Startingggggg...now!

Vader · 07-22-08, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

It won't fly here. We have a "peoples army" and it aint part of the government.

See the militia act.

He's trying to Islam-o-fy the U.S.A. and that isn't going to fly. It isn't constitutional. It is an EXCEPTIONALY good reason to make sure that Obama does NOT get elected.

shuamort · 07-22-08, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by section eight

Here's the exact quote:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

That's a clear call for a federal militia AKA a "peoples army" this is some scary stuff indeed, I've been sympathetic to Obama before now but this is just beyond the pale, this is the exact same **** that went down in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Castro's Cuba, and most recently in Chavez's Venezuela.

So the question is do you support this ridiculous campaign process?

You're missing some vital information.

I find only one source here.

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Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his July 2 speech (yet another one where naming Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was required) in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released script and performed without the teleprompter net saying,

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." (emphasis added)

The link given gives a pre-transcript (for lack of a better word, what was planned to be said, but obviously omits what was done improptu).

section eight · 07-22-08, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rsixing

Bull****. "Homeland Security" is as goose-stepping as you can get. Even the office identification brings up visages of

The DHS doesn't even have arrest powers all it is is an agency which coordinates pre-existing intelligence and security agencies for improved inter-agency communications which failed miserably leading up to 9-11 aside from that they only improve existing cyber-security.

section eight · 07-22-08, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Rsixing is completely right and not using any hyberbole. Just today I grabbed my skull cap and goose stepped to works. Its mandatory for all of us Nazi's that work under the facists regime Der Führer, Michael Chertoff.

Quick, both of you, see who can over exaggerate their claims the most! Startingggggg...now!

I don't have any problem with a coordination agency but to create a full blown army which operates domestically is beyond the pale, we have seen such things done in some of the most oppressive societies in history.

section eight · 07-22-08, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shuamort

You're missing some vital information.

I find only one source here.

The link given gives a pre-transcript (for lack of a better word, what was planned to be said, but obviously omits what was done improptu).

Well that didn't sound impromptu he had obviously planned to say it and even if is impromptu he still said, so what exactly does he mean by it? I'm sorry but it clearly sounded to me like a call for an army sized federal police force which would operate domestically.

BWG · 07-22-08, 05:10 PM

Obama was talking about volunteerism.

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Sen. Barack Obama called for greater public service Wednesday, some experts predict the potential now exists for programs seeking an expansion of volunteerism to succeed, despite a slumping economy and the nation being at war.

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In his speech at a University of Colorado campus, he pledged that enhanced public service and active citizenship would be a central cause of his presidency.

"We will ask Americans to serve," the Illinois Democrat said. "We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve."
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Obama repeated his pledge to boost the size of the active military. But he said the nation's future and safety depends on more than just additional service members.

["Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but]"It also depends on the teacher in East L.A., or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia," he said.

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"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Is U.S. ready to serve? -- chicagotribune.com

Obama is saying that the security of the nation is as dependent on its unarmed community service providers as it is on its armed military personnel.

Security is not only defending our perimeter with guns and bullets, but also ensuring that our interior is strong as well.

Here is a video of the speech, it's over 26 minutes long, but the part that pertains to this discussion is between the 15 and 17 minute mark.

YouTube - Barack Obama: Call to Service in Colorado Springs, CO

shuamort · 07-22-08, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by section eight

Well that didn't sound impromptu he had obviously planned to say it and even if is impromptu he still said, so what exactly does he mean by it? I'm sorry but it clearly sounded to me like a call for an army sized federal police force which would operate domestically.

Honestly, I don't know exactly what he's calling for, but I don't like it. I'm not sure how volunteers would be "well-funded" either.

section eight · 07-22-08, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BWG

Obama was talking about volunteerism.

Obama is saying that the security of the nation is as dependent on its unarmed community service providers as it is on its armed military personnel.

Security is not only defending our perimeter with guns and bullets, but also ensuring that our interior is strong as well.

Here is a video of the speech, it's over 26 minutes long, but the part that pertains to this discussion is between the 15 and 17 minute mark.

YouTube - Barack Obama: Call to Service in Colorado Springs, CO

Sorry but the term "national security force" doesn't jive at all with your assertion that he's only calling for an expansion of the Peacecorps and the like and the Peacecorps don't operate domestically they operate abroad so again that doesn't mesh at all and to my knowledge the CDR's are not armed either but they are still secret police and this sounds exactly like a call for the establishment of a CDR type organization, the CDR's operate under the guise of "community service providers" as well but in reality they are a secret police force who reports on their fellow citizens, so even the way you are phrasing it as if that it is benign is in reality just as scary if you have any knowledge of what the CDR's are.