How excited are you for your canidate? - Page 2

galenrox · 07-22-08, 02:14 PM

I am very excited about McCain because it's the first time I've been able to definitively support a candidate on this scale. The only other person I've been able to enthusiastically vote for was Jim Leach back when I lived in IA-2 (of course he lost in 2006 to a dip**** college professor), but when I first voted when I was 18 in 2002 it was for Rod Blagojevich, which was really only because all of the adults I knew were voting for Blagojevich (Illinois governor) and we've all seen how crappy a decision that was. In 2000 before I could vote I supported Bush only because I was so opposed to Joe Lieberman's positions when it came to censorship (and, evidence to why 16 year olds don't get to vote, that was largely because I loved the WWF so much and was sick of the PTC attacking it). In 2004 I agonized over the decision for months and eventually did it so my mom would vote for Ralph Nader to stick it to the two party system in Illinois where it didn't matter, and I'd essentially give her my vote in Iowa where it did and vote for Kerry, albeit in retrospect I would've voted for Bush. I just hated them both so much. In 2006 the guy I was excited about in the governor's race, Kevin Litten (Libertarian) didn't even get 1% of the vote.

But now I have John McCain, and I am excited that we finally have someone who recognizes that the game is corrupt. You've ultimately gotta win the game if you're ever going to change anything, but I can't remember the last major party candidate that didn't eat that **** up and LOVE it. Gerald Ford probably. There are quite a few points of disagreement with the senator, but ultimately I couldn't get elected President, I want someone who supports drug legalization and scrapping Medicare, hawkish non-interventionism, getting the government almost entirely out of the economy (thereby learning to ****ing recognize property rights), and spend the money saved on enforcement on vouchers for workers to learn valuable new skills. If John McCain came out and said that his numbers would instantly drop to like 2%. And so I've gotten what I've never gotten before, someone with some ****ing spine who's mostly right most of the time (as opposed to my usual choice between two people who are almost always wrong almost all of the time).

CaptainCourtesy · 07-23-08, 12:50 AM

I am currently undecided, debating between reluctantly voting for Obama or not voting for either of these buffoons.

obvious Child · 07-23-08, 01:01 AM

Once I looked at their financial plans, I decided not to vote for either.

Both of them will send us into bankruptcy.

galenrox · 07-23-08, 01:11 AM

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Once I looked at their financial plans, I decided not to vote for either.

Both of them will send us into bankruptcy.

Well realistically McCain won't get his tax cuts nor will he get any spending that's against the Democrats, and he'll provide a check on Democratic spending. Obama would get everything he wants, he's pro-pork, Pelosi's pro-pork, Reid's pro-pork, and none of them intend to check each other in any way, it's just like the Bush Frist Hastert axis. McCain's got a much better shot.

obvious Child · 07-23-08, 01:23 AM

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Well realistically McCain won't get his tax cuts nor will he get any spending that's against the Democrats, and he'll provide a check on Democratic spending.

Questionable. The democrats will likely support middle income tax cuts. How the hell are those going to get paid for? And McCain will likely engage in deals to get what he wants, meaning we get his crap and the democrat's crap.

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Obama would get everything he wants, he's pro-pork, Pelosi's pro-pork, Reid's pro-pork, and none of them intend to check each other in any way, it's just like the Bush Frist Hastert axis.

Possibly. But there are Republicans left in office in Congress.

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McCain's got a much better shot.

Point still is neither are the financial deficit hawks that we need.

And my vote doesn't matter anyways. I already know how my state is going to vote.

Kernel Sanders · 07-23-08, 01:23 AM

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how could somebody like both Ron Paul and Obama? They are polar opposites.

Well I'm sure as hell not voting for McCain. My support for Ron Paul's ideals were more along the lines of "wouldn't that be nice." When it comes to realistic political platforms, however, Obama comes out ahead of McCain in my book

galenrox · 07-23-08, 01:43 AM

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Questionable. The democrats will likely support middle income tax cuts. How the hell are those going to get paid for? And McCain will likely engage in deals to get what he wants, meaning we get his crap and the democrat's crap.

True, but when McCain's gotta prioritize he's going to take spending cuts over tax cuts. His entire career he's been a deficit hawk, up until he's running for the Republican nomination where one of things on the bonafide's checklist is tax cuts. I could see the middle class tax cuts, but that could be paid for by reforming entitlements, introducing competition into federal spending practices, etc. Obviously I'd be very pleasantly surprised but surprised nonetheless if he'd be able to balance the budget but at the very least it'll be a lot closer to going in the right direction (and I expect it'll move significantly in the right direction) than Obama, who admits that he won't even lower the deficit over the next 4 years despite his proposed increases in capital gains, corporate, and upper bracket taxes with his obscenely optimistic estimations of the revenue effects of said increases.

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Possibly. But there are Republicans left in office in Congress.

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Point still is neither are the financial deficit hawks that we need.

And my vote doesn't matter anyways. I already know how my state is going to vote.

I wish McCain was more of a deficit hawk, and I suspect he is more of a deficit hawk than he lets on, but yeah, he needs to be really serious about it. I don't like saying that your vote doesn't matter because you know how your state is going, your state only goes that way after the votes are counted, and in choosing not to vote you send the message to your legislators that all they have to do is appeal to whatever party is dominant in the state, because you're submitting to them. Votes matter more in the act of voting than they do in their marginal effect on the result of the election (which is always slim to none even if it's really close, I voted in Iowa in 2004, the 2nd closest of the states, and my vote still meant nothing).

Cephus · 07-23-08, 03:01 AM

I'm not excited about Obama, but given a choice between the two, he's the one that has to get my vote because he's the lesser of the two evils. There is *NO ONE RUNNING* that I would remotely get excited about, regardless of party.

bhkad · 07-23-08, 04:15 AM

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How excited are you for your canidate?

Please answer.

My candidate is John McCain and I am very pleased that he will be our next President.

I am also quite confident that Sen. McCain will be elected because as soon as the American public learns the news that Obama has sought to sell us out to the UN in a Marxist/Socialist plan which would obligate the American people to pony up $845 Billion dollars to be given to the UN to administer in a global giveaway they will be outraged.

I have come to the conclusion that the members here are slightly inured to the outrageous nature of Obama's GLOBAL POVERTY BILL as well as the deception he employed by sneaking the bill through committee. But it has been blocked by Sen. Coburn (R-OK), thank God!

Our membership has seen and read and considered so many un-American ideas and had them argued to the Nth degree that I think we have lost our sense of NORMAL and the idea that a candidate would propose such an act is unthinkable.

I am outraged and I believe the American people will be also when they finally hear about it. There is no way that America will elect a duplicitous, Socialist.

By the way, here is some more info I've found about this bill:

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Senator Barack Obama’s Global Poverty Act was in the process of being hotlined before Senators Coburn, David Vitter and Jim DeMint put a hold on it. This costly $845 billion bill commits the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid to meet United Nations objectives.

It had passed the House by voice vote last year and was on the verge of quickly passing the Senate. It was brought up in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee earlier this year and passed by voice vote. No hearings were ever held on the legislation.

A hold doesn’t kill the legislation but it does make it harder to pass. A hold means that Reid has to get 60 votes to bring up and pass the bill. With a 51-49 Democratic edge, Reid can attempt to ram the Coburn Omnibus legislation or any bill through the Senate if he can convince nine Republican senators to break ranks and vote with the Democrats. That is how he got the global AIDS bill to the Senate floor. He overcame holds placed on the bill by conservative Republican Senators David Vitter, Jim DeMint and Jeff Sessions.

The nine or more Democratic collaborators could come from the liberal wing of the Republican Party and are likely to include such figures as Republican Senator Gordon Smith, who is running for re-election in Oregon by airing ads touting Obama as a statesman.

There was some fear that Obama’s Global Poverty Act would be included in the Coburn Omnibus. But Reid didn’t put it in. This time, Reid appears to be trying to ram through some other nice-sounding bills to see if he can successfully roll the Senate Republicans. If he wins here he could try the same ploy again with even more costly bills, such as the Obama Global Poverty Act. So the fate of the Coburn Omnibus will help demonstrate if there is any fighting spirit left in the Senate to stop the slide into socialism.

While money to meet U.N. goals through the Global Poverty Act is not in the Coburn Omnibus, the bill does include funds to implement the “Torture Victims Relief Reauthorization,” which passed the House last year by an amazing 418-7 vote.

Did members understand they were voting on a bill to funnel millions of dollars to the corrupt U.N. and other foreign entities?

Only seven House members voted against it. They were Republicans Burton, Duncan, Flake, Goode, Paul, Rohrabacher and Sali. The bill was then rushed to the Senate, where the Foreign Relations Committee passed it by voice vote without any hearings at all. That is when Coburn put a hold on it.

The failure of the Congress to do its job in analyzing these bills is complemented by the indifference of the major media to out-of-control federal spending. The fate of the Coburn Omnibus will help determine whether politicians and reporters ever start doing their jobs.

Senate Vote on More Money for U.N.

GySgt · 07-23-08, 01:32 PM

McCain - meh
Obama - meh