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Old 06-27-08, 01:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: What weapons does the 2nd protect?

The thought process behind the 2nd amendment was to make sure that the government was afraid of its citizens and not the other way around. England had attempted to disarm the colonies to keep it under check. The 2nd amendment was written to make sure that the government never gained so much control over the citizens that it stopped working in their best interests.

Given that, the 2nd amendment is written so the citizens can have enough arms to defend themselves against their government.

So, if you're going to take a strict constitutional review of the 2nd amendment, it should be none.

Now, for the sake of argument, you take the first amendment which states that congress can't abridge the freedom of speech. Altruistic in nature, however, we've found it should be limited as the old yarn about "crying fire in a crowded theater" has shown. The intent of the 1st amendment didn't take these incidents into consideration, but the incidents have shown flaws in the bill of rights.

My answer is that strictly reading the 2nd Amendment, the answer would be none, using judgment and wisdom build up with previous cases, the answer would be limiting gun ownership a bit to exclude things like nuclear arms and the like.
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My answer is that strictly reading the 2nd Amendment, the answer would be none, using judgment and wisdom build up with previous cases, the answer would be limiting gun ownership a bit to exclude things like nuclear arms and the like.
The issue is what -firearms- are protected, as was put forth in the OP.
This was on purpose, to exclude unnecessary and meaningless dicussion regarding the individual posession of nuclear weapons.
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So, were you going to add a response to the poll, or...?
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The issue is what -firearms- are protected, as was put forth in the OP.
This was on purpose, to exclude unnecessary and meaningless dicussion regarding the individual posession of nuclear weapons.
And I answered the OP, but I felt it necessary to include an addendum to my answer to make sure it was thorough. Questions like these are far from black and white and failure to elaborate can cause confusion.
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That thread started in 2005 and its last post was over a year ago. I see the reason and need for a new thread in light of the reason SCOTUS decision on the matter.
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The thought process behind the 2nd amendment was to make sure that the government was afraid of its citizens and not the other way around. England had attempted to disarm the colonies to keep it under check. The 2nd amendment was written to make sure that the government never gained so much control over the citizens that it stopped working in their best interests.

Given that, the 2nd amendment is written so the citizens can have enough arms to defend themselves against their government.

So, if you're going to take a strict constitutional review of the 2nd amendment, it should be none.

Now, for the sake of argument, you take the first amendment which states that congress can't abridge the freedom of speech. Altruistic in nature, however, we've found it should be limited as the old yarn about "crying fire in a crowded theater" has shown. The intent of the 1st amendment didn't take these incidents into consideration, but the incidents have shown flaws in the bill of rights.

My answer is that strictly reading the 2nd Amendment, the answer would be none, using judgment and wisdom build up with previous cases, the answer would be limiting gun ownership a bit to exclude things like nuclear arms and the like.
I don't see how the fact that private businesses can restrict your behavior on their premises constitutes a "flaw in the bill of rights."

The first Amendment means that the government cannot excise words out of your vocabulary, but a business owner certainly can if you wish to remain on the premises and conduct business.
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