Debate Politics Forums
Speak your voice
Go Back   Debate Politics Forums > Welcome to our political forum > Polls

Polls Left Coming to Terms with Their Own Bigotry; Originally Posted by aquapub Democrats identifying Democrat racism as being the reason Obama won WV is me distorting things? Um......

Poll: Read the intro and vote accordingly
Be advised that this is a public poll: other users can see the choice(s) you selected.
Poll Options
Read the intro and vote accordingly

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-18-08, 10:35 PM   #41 (permalink)
Educator
 
Redress's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Last Online: 07-05-08 03:51 PM
Posts: 917
Thanks: 107
Thanked 273 Times in 190 Posts
Lean: Liberal

Awards:
US Navy:  In the navy from 1987 to 1993, leaving honorably at end of enlistment as an AT2. 

Current Mood:
Pissedoff
Re: Left Coming to Terms with Their Own Bigotry

Quote:
Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
Democrats identifying Democrat racism as being the reason Obama won WV is me distorting things?
Um...sure.
No, but using it as the basis for a rant against Affirmative Action is. The two are unrelated.


Quote:

The exception that proves the rule.
Huh?


Quote:
Affirmative Action is fighting racism with racism. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Affirmative Action is not racism. It is racial, and there may be better ways to do things, but it is not racism.


Quote:


Anyone who wants success can earn it. Atrocities from a century ago hold no one back today. The Irish were violated in a number of ways for centuries, and many of them came over here poor as a result. Their poverty-stricken starting point doesn't warrant federal nanny state intervention on their behalf today anymore than slavery a hundred years ago warrants extra handouts for blacks now. It warrants hard work on the part of the Irish, as with blacks. The American Dream promises the opportunity to achieve success, not success itself.
A century ago? The 50's and 60's where a century ago?

You are right, the American Dream promises the opportunity to achieve success. In fact, that is important. Black Americans by and large have fewer opportunities for that success. That is what AA seeks to correct. I doubt it is the best method, but the goal of equal opportunity is to my mind a good one. I personally think AA is bad because it breeds resentment, which is long term damaging to society, and because it attacks the symptom of the problem, instead of the cause. Neither of these objections to it make it racism though.
Redress is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Inline Ads
Old 05-20-08, 08:03 AM   #42 (permalink)
Sage

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Last Online: 10-10-08 03:48 PM
Location: America (A.K.A., a red state)
Posts: 6,926
Thanks: 150
Thanked 286 Times in 228 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Relaxed
Thread Starter Re: Left Coming to Terms with Their Own Bigotry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redress View Post
No, but using it as the basis for a rant against Affirmative Action is. The two are unrelated.
What exactly is being distorted by me pointing out Democrats identifying Democrat racism in WV and then pointing out that Democrat racism also comes from the onther direction?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redress View Post
Huh?
Yo're not for affirmative action. I was saying, then you're the exception that proves the rule.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redress View Post
Affirmative Action is not racism. It is racial, and there may be better ways to do things, but it is not racism.
Giving career and educational advantages to people and denying it to others based on race is racism, any way you slice it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redress View Post
A century ago? The 50's and 60's where a century ago?
Slavery was around in the 50s and 60s? I thought that was the injustice that warrants all this racist discrimination against white people today. I suppose when you're making excuses for people who never even experienced racial injustices, there really is no rhyme or reason to where you draw the line.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redress View Post
You are right, the American Dream promises the opportunity to achieve success. In fact, that is important. Black Americans by and large have fewer opportunities for that success.
No they don't. There are far more poor white people than poor black people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redress View Post
I doubt it is the best method, but the goal of equal opportunity is to my mind a good one. I personally think AA is bad because it breeds resentment, which is long term damaging to society, and because it attacks the symptom of the problem, instead of the cause. Neither of these objections to it make it racism though.
Right. What makes it racism is giving career and educational advantages to people and denying it to others based on race, which you would be the first to admit if such racist proposals were made for whites at the expense of blacks.
__________________
"[The left's] view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
aquapub is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 08:31 AM   #43 (permalink)
aps
Passionate

 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Last Online: Today 02:26 PM
Posts: 10,318
Thanks: 2,294
Thanked 1,082 Times in 731 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Female

Re: Left Coming to Terms with Their Own Bigotry

Quote:
Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
Matthews worked for Tip O'Neill. I don't think he worked for Carter.
He worked for Carter. (Someone may have already addressed this.)
aps is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to aps For This Useful Post:
Old 05-20-08, 08:32 AM   #44 (permalink)
User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Last Online: 05-20-08 03:08 PM
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Lean: Centrist
Gender: Male

Re: Left Coming to Terms with Their Own Bigotry

For the Right to stress Racism only indicates how desperate they have become.
Marine Democrat is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 02:56 PM   #45 (permalink)
Sage

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Last Online: 10-10-08 03:48 PM
Location: America (A.K.A., a red state)
Posts: 6,926
Thanks: 150
Thanked 286 Times in 228 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Relaxed
Thread Starter Re: Left Coming to Terms with Their Own Bigotry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marine Democrat View Post
For the Right to stress Racism only indicates how desperate they have become.
Devastating counterpoint.

We should have known that Democrats pointing out Democrat racism would be a losing strategy for Republicans.
aquapub is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Are These Memos Legitimate? Squawker Archives 492 03-02-06 12:53 PM
Left Wing or Right Wing Mickyjaystoned Archives 11 12-20-05 04:19 PM
Power in America Left or Right JOHNYJ Archives 16 10-30-05 06:05 AM
inconsistency in the Left and Right laska Archives 1 09-25-05 01:18 PM
Left bar removal in certain places vauge Annoucements / Forum News 0 08-10-05 10:44 PM

Navigation
Home Main
spacer Home
spacer Newsroom
spacer Resources
spacer FAQ
spacer Chatroom

Extras Extras
spacer DP Store
spacer Statistics
spacer Worldmap
spacer Gallery
spacer Link to us

 Advertise Here!

Random Pic
by Captain America
· · ·
Member Galleries
991 photos
196 comments



Debate Politics XML Feed

Add to my Yahoo!



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:45 PM.

Partners with: Computer repair || Irrationally Informed

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Debate Politics.com Copyright ©2004-2008
SEO by vBSEO