independent_thinker2002

I stand corrected.

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aquapub

20% of Democrat voters admitted to race playing a part. More than 8 in 10 who said it factored in their votes backed Mrs. Clinton. Call me crazy, but I think race might have been involved.



Propaganda...like his extremist voting record? Or more like his mentor being a traitorous bigot...or his endorsements from terrorists? None of these things are disputable. They are a matter of record. Please either stop referring to established facts as propaganda, or start labeling yourself more accurately, as a Democrat.

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Hatuey

What does that have to do with what I said? - Unless SouthernDemocrat and I share the same brain then we don't have to agree on everything. However that is not the case because if we did, we'd be Republicans.

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SouthernDemocrat

Ok first off, there is racism in every party. Both parties are made up of people, and well some people are racist. Thats just part of the human condition unfortunately.

However, its laughable for some Republican apologist to accuse the Democrats of racism. Lets look at this in perspective. It is the Democratic Party that is about to nominate the first major party black candidate for president. It is the Democrat Party that has had the only black senators. I don't know how many dozens of black Democratic Congressman that the Democrats have, but I do know that the Republicans have had all of one. Think about that, the Republicans when they where the majority party would not even put their money and vast resources behind getting even one black congressmen elected other than J.C. Watts.

Some 90% of African Americans typically vote Democrat, 70% of Hispanics vote Democrat, 75% of Asians vote Democrat, and 80% of Jews vote Democrat. and its not because they are stupid. In fact, that insinuation by many Republicans is very racist in and of itself. Moreover, unlike Republicans, when the Democratic Party has its conventions, the cameras do not have to consistently zoom in on the 4 or 5 blacks actually in the audience.

The Democratic Party is much more diverse than the GOP, otherwise known as the Southern White Male Evangelical Party. After all, we are taking about a party whose saint, Ronald Reagan announced his campaign for president in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the site of the murder of 3 civil rights workers in 1964, by giving a speech on states rights. If someone did that today they would be shamed into dropping out. The infamous Willie Horton ads in 1988 smacked of racisim, especially considering the fact that his name was not Willie Horton, it was William Horton and he never went by the name Willie, and the only reason why they used the name Willie was because they thought it sounded more "black". Even in 2000 with the Republican Primary Campaign in South Carolina, Karl Rove ran the now infamous push poll against John McCain that insinuated he had fathered an illegitimate black child. For Republicans to accuse today's Democrats of racism is laughable to say the least.

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aquapub

Um...you blew off the Democrat contention that Democrat racism caused Hillary's blowout in WV...what does me posting prrof from WV Democrat voters themselves admitting to it have to do with that? Considering it debunks your point entirely...everything.



Meanwhile 90% of blacks mindlessly bloc-vote for Democrats (1), 90% of gays mindlessly bloc-vote for Democrats (2), 80% of young people mindlessly bloc-vote for Democrats (3), and liberal sites (like MoveOn, CodePink, TrueMajority, MediaMatters, etc.) that email daily talking points to their herd of stooges outnumber anything vaguely resembling their conservative counterparts many times over.

Who block votes for Republicans like this? You can't say the rich, you can't say religious people (4). Virtually every Democrat in any office of any kind is Christian. Who then?

Who do the average, mainstream, working families that Republicans represent need to send them their thoughts every day as liberals do?

1) "Regardless of how blacks self-identify, however, Democrats consistently get 90 percent of their vote."

The Washington Times. January 11, 2004. Courting black vote a bad idea. Pg. B05.

2) "Homosexual voters are expected to flock to the polls on Tuesday in a bid to tip as many close elections as they can to the Democrats, with presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry likely to get 90 percent of their vote."

The Washington Times. October 27, 2004. Gays hope to sway close elections. THE WASHINGTON TIMES. Pg. A07.

3) "...four out of five students ages 18 to 22 vote Democrat..."

University Wire. October 13, 2004.College voters may play big role in 2004 election officials say.

4) "...About 86 percent of the people in our country call themselves Christian..."

University Wire. September 8, 2006. American's ignore Jesus' words

Next BS smear please.

SouthernDemocrat

So, according to aquapub, black people are mindless.

So, according to aquapub, gays are mindless.

Now, who is bigot here? I'm thinking its the guy who basically says that blacks and gays are stupid.

John1234

Yes, Propaganda just like that lol...

-His Extremist Voting Record

Extremist is how I define Terrorist and Bush Supporters.
But I would not go so far as to call our Congress Extremist.

Anyhow, the record itself is being misrepresented.
Only his yes votes are being tallied.
In most situations, multiple Congressmen do not vote because they know their vote is not needed to win.
Therefore, whether Obama scored higher or lower on your Conservatives tally chart is insignificant as a way of comparing him to other Democrats.
The only thing that this way of judging Congressmen would be valid is to see who the moderates are. (Those that vote against their own party)
It is not an accurate way to assess how extreme one is.
Voting with one's party does not make one extreme. Loyal, maybe.

All this really proves is that Obama had good attendance when it mattered.
Show me one actual "thing" that he voted for that is "Extremist".

-His mentor being a traitorous bigot
This has been well covered and there is not room to go into it in full detail.
I happen to agree with many things Wright said. And some I do not agree with.
I've heard multiple white officials say similar things in regards to some of the controversial remarks. It was just not said with the flare of a Black Preacher.
The point Wright was making when the "god damn America" thing was said, is actually a really good point.
He went into a lot of detail about "Which god are we praying to".
The problem is, most people only hear the catch phrase and miss the message.

Wright is not alone. Jehovah's Witnesses also believe that most people are not praying to the god they think they are praying to.
When a slave is praying, "God please free me".
And a master is praying, "God please help my slaves get the crop in before it rots"
Do you really think both are praying to the same god?
Millions of us think they are NOT.
When we pray, "Help us bomb the hell out of our enemy", are we praying to the god that sent us Jesus Christ?
Wright expanded this example to many of the bad deeds we have done abroad and to our military aggression.
His point is not that he wants god to damn America.
His point is that we are damning ourselves.

With that being said, there are things Wright said that are indefensible.
And it is fair to call him a bigot because he is full of resentment.
But his most "damning" statement, actually makes a lot of sense if you listen to the entire speech. The quoted statement by itself though, looks terrible.

He is no where close to being a traitor.
In fact he was a Marine.

What really matters is not what Wright meant.
What matters is what Obama thinks and stands for.
And it is extremely clear now that Wright and Obama are not on the same page.
Wright has his own agenda and has even tried to hurt Obama.
Many people are intelligent enough to understand this, but like to pretend to be dumb and push the propaganda package.

-or his endorsements from terrorists

So your going to vote for whoever the terrorists tell you to by allowing them to effect your judgment?
In the case of Hamas they are not only a terrorist organization, they are also a Government in the most conflicted region in the world

If we should never negotiate or talk to this government at all then what is our plan?
Give me any type of a plan...
Because they are not going anywhere. Why would they?
It would require a full invasion of the ME and probably a few nukes to remove their hold on the region.
And in all likelihood it would only empower them further.
Just like Israel helped to put them into power by their recent Invasion that allowed Hamas to declare victory while feeding the people.

Its been proven that we are getting the opposite results of what we want from our actions.

We invade Iraq for fear that they might support Al Qaeda.
As a result, AQ and Iran end up controlling Iraq.

Israel invades because Hamas is launching some over sized bottle rockets.
As a result Hamas is viewed as the hero of the people and rises to full power.

We want to control Iran so we topple their democracy because it leans towards the USSR.
We sanction them and pressure them for a lifetime.
As a result they are now rising as the ME Super Power.

To be clear though, Obama does not intend to speak with Hamas.
And i think thats a big mistake.
Obama only intends to speak with the leaders of Iran and Syria.

Everything that the war monger Bush McCain types have been doing, on both the Left and the Right, have been getting the opposite of what we want from the Middle East for half a century now.
Its about time someone takes a new approach.
What we have been doing is clearly not working.

It is not just Hamas that supports Obama over McCain, it is the entire world.
The entire population of Earth wants to see someone run this Nation as the Leader among Nations, not as a back alley bully that wants your lunch money.

Ikari

Alright, now if the right can come to terms with their own bigotry as well, maybe we can get somewhere.

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aquapub

Translation: Southern Democrat embarrassed himself by unwittingly providing proof of Democrat racism, so now it's time to change the subject and reinforce the bumper sticker..

"Bigot: a conservative winning an argument with a liberal."

No, saying someone did something mindless is not saying they are mindless, but most liberals do demonstrate quite often that they are unthinking sheep...I just wouldn't break it down in terms of race and sexuality.

Nice try.

Doc Howl

Actually, that's the funniest thing I've seen in years.

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