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Lean: Independent Gender:  | Re: What is actually the best way to fund education Income tax for people with children. Though, mind you, I'd rather not have public schools at all. Private schooling is best. The competition will allow good education at low-price,(provided the fed doesn't destroy the economy) and if a family can't afford it, there is always home-schooling. With all those options opened up then everyone can not only get an education, but a very good one, and best of all, the government doesn't have to pay for it! =D |
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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 Income tax for people with children. Though, mind you, I'd rather not have public schools at all. Private schooling is best. The competition will allow good education at low-price,(provided the fed doesn't destroy the economy) and if a family can't afford it, there is always home-schooling. With all those options opened up then everyone can not only get an education, but a very good one, and best of all, the government doesn't have to pay for it! =D |
Home Schooling isn't appropriate for children who have no siblings because they are not afforded the opportunity to learn social skills.
Public schools are an absolute necessity.
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Originally Posted by Vader Home Schooling isn't appropriate for children who have no siblings because they are not afforded the opportunity to learn social skills.
Public schools are an absolute necessity. | Public schools are good, but they are not necessary, At least not today's public schools. I know home-schooling isn't perfect either but it needs to be an option., thats all I care about. The government can ruin public education all it wants but, as long as they don't touch the parents and home-schooling thats fine. |
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Originally Posted by DeeJayH to deal with the issue of funding, not dispersment of funds | A combination of:
Income tax for all
Tuition for those in school (combined with vouchers to help them pay for it, of course)
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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 Income tax for people with children. Though, mind you, I'd rather not have public schools at all. Private schooling is best. The competition will allow good education at low-price,(provided the fed doesn't destroy the economy) and if a family can't afford it, there is always home-schooling. With all those options opened up then everyone can not only get an education, but a very good one, and best of all, the government doesn't have to pay for it! =D |
There is no evidence that private schools do a better job than public schools. Home-schooling is not for poor people who cannot afford private schools. Most lower-income people have to have both parents working, but home-schooling requires one full-time parent. The entire burden of text books and supplies must be paid for by parents, whereas public schools furnish many materials. Then we must consider the teaching qualifications of poorer parents. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/opinion/19wed2.html
"...many reformers have embraced the view that the public schools are irreparably broken and that students of all kinds need to be given vouchers to attend private or religious schools at public expense.
This belief, though widespread, has not held up to careful scrutiny. ....
This point was underscored last week when the United States Education Department released a controversial and long-awaited report comparing public and private schools in terms of student achievement as measured on the federal math and reading tests known as the National Assessment of Educational Progress. As with previous studies, this one debunked the widely held belief that public schools were inferior to their private and religious counterparts." Public schools: Do they outperform private ones? | csmonitor.com
"But beleaguered public schools have recently received a small, though noteworthy, boost. After accounting for students' socioeconomic background, a new study shows public school children outperforming their private school peers on a federal math exam.
Overall, private school students tend to do markedly better on standardized tests. But the reason, this study suggests, may be that they draw students from wealthier and more educated families, rather than because they're better at bolstering student achievement." Why PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE RARELY WORTH THE MONEY Forget the myth that private schools are the best. Our survey shows many public schools are every bit as good -- if not better. - October 1, 1994
"The question: Is private school really worth the expense? A ground-breaking new Money survey of public and private schools around the U.S. shows that the answer is often no. Among our findings: -- Students who attend the best public schools outperform most private school students. -- The average public school teacher has stronger academic qualifications than the average private school teacher. -- The best public schools offer a more challenging curriculum than most private schools. -- Public school class sizes are no larger than in most private schools and are smaller than in most Catholic schools. "
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Current Mood: | Re: What is actually the best way to fund education I voted for property taxes, but I want to see a higher % than the current one.
Those who say that it is unfair for homeowners who do not have children are a bit selfish imo. Too individualistic, and are not thinking in long-term.
When one considers what is the purpose of public education in general, which is to better society as a whole, then it is obvious that childless homeowners actually do benefit from better public education.
As for tuition type plans, the attempt at creating competition is futile. Especially in areas where enrollments are high, and class sizes are 30+. This is the current problem with vouchers. A school cannot admit new students, with or without thier voucher, or thier payment, if they cannot take any additional students.
One of the most absurd things about NCLB is the idea of offering vouchers for students whose school is "underperforming" so that the child can transfer to a "better performing" school. All this is theory. In practice, very few actually make the transfer because of overpopulated schools.
The "competition" aspect of it, just isn't going to work in the current circumstances.
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Originally Posted by OKgrannie There is no evidence that private schools do a better job than public schools. Home-schooling is not for poor people who cannot afford private schools. Most lower-income people have to have both parents working, but home-schooling requires one full-time parent. The entire burden of text books and supplies must be paid for by parents, whereas public schools furnish many materials. Then we must consider the teaching qualifications of poorer parents. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/opinion/19wed2.html
"...many reformers have embraced the view that the public schools are irreparably broken and that students of all kinds need to be given vouchers to attend private or religious schools at public expense.
This belief, though widespread, has not held up to careful scrutiny. ....
This point was underscored last week when the United States Education Department released a controversial and long-awaited report comparing public and private schools in terms of student achievement as measured on the federal math and reading tests known as the National Assessment of Educational Progress. As with previous studies, this one debunked the widely held belief that public schools were inferior to their private and religious counterparts." Public schools: Do they outperform private ones? | csmonitor.com
"But beleaguered public schools have recently received a small, though noteworthy, boost. After accounting for students' socioeconomic background, a new study shows public school children outperforming their private school peers on a federal math exam.
Overall, private school students tend to do markedly better on standardized tests. But the reason, this study suggests, may be that they draw students from wealthier and more educated families, rather than because they're better at bolstering student achievement." Why PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE RARELY WORTH THE MONEY Forget the myth that private schools are the best. Our survey shows many public schools are every bit as good -- if not better. - October 1, 1994
"The question: Is private school really worth the expense? A ground-breaking new Money survey of public and private schools around the U.S. shows that the answer is often no. Among our findings: -- Students who attend the best public schools outperform most private school students. -- The average public school teacher has stronger academic qualifications than the average private school teacher. -- The best public schools offer a more challenging curriculum than most private schools. -- Public school class sizes are no larger than in most private schools and are smaller than in most Catholic schools. " | So your not just one issue, your gaining a bit of sanity
However, the study isn't really..well..heh, I hate the say it because I like to use CNN but, its not valid. They say you are better off sending your kid to a TOP public school, well, compared to whom? I would like to know ALL the comparison of the TOP public and private school, and a study that has less words...
Also, did you notice this? Quote:
By DENISE M. TOPOLNICKI Reporter associate: Kelly Smith
October 1, 1994
| thats almost 12-13 years ago. If a more recent one can be provided, that would be good. I think there was one that was taken in 2002, at least thats what I heard on MSNBC. AND I would like to know WHO actually did the study, I doubt this one person did it all by herself. Then again, kudos if she did.
Oh and uh, NO using the NYtimes or CNN for you! Education is MY territory. C-SPAN does similiar studies I hear on various topics from time to time. They, as far as I can tell, are fairly unbiased.
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Originally Posted by Lightdemon When one considers what is the purpose of public education in general, which is to better society as a whole, then it is obvious that childless homeowners actually do benefit from better public education. | That is the theory however there is an alarming amount of political indoctrination that goes on in public schools that falls outside any concensus of taxpayers. The fostering of these objectionable ideas at public expense harms not only childless homeowners but society in general. |
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