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  • Yes, I hear the voice of god.

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  • Yes, in the form of signs, dreams, etc., but no voices.

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  • Maybe, I'm not sure.

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Well, since you are not in as good a mood today and care to discuss it...

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    I am not what one would consider a devout Christian. I attend Mass twice a year at most.
    No, but you play a Templar Knight here at DP.

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    You are talking about a group of people who have rejected faith out of some misguided notion that it makes them smarter than everyone else.
    Jallman, you are generalizing here. If you are ever interested in knowing why I came to be an atheist, we can have that discussion.

    (I knew I was smarter way before I came to be an atheist.)

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    And then, to constantly reaffirm this notion, they consistently attack and criticize, not the beliefs themselves, but the people who hold to faith.
    Do you mean like you just did with the previous comment above? Kicking someone in the nuts and then calling it off-limits is what you are doing here.
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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am not what one would consider a devout Christian. I attend Mass twice a year at most.

    But I don't think there is any lack of grace when a Christian removes his or herself from a verbally abusive situation where atheists are concerned. You are talking about a group of people who have rejected faith out of some misguided notion that it makes them smarter than everyone else. And then, to constantly reaffirm this notion, they consistently attack and criticize, not the beliefs themselves, but the people who hold to faith.

    I, personally, am under no directive to proselytize to nonbelievers; I couldn't care less if they make it to heaven or if they spend their eternities in the bowels of tormented hell choking on brimstone. As far as I am concerned, people have a right to their beliefs and to express their beliefs peacefully and without fear of reprisal. The reason I am intolerant of atheists is because I see the intolerance they show to Christians specifically and, being a gay man, I am acutely aware of the way this intolerance builds and becomes ingrained in our culture. Forgive me but I don't much like seeing anyone treated or spoken of the way gays were for the longest time.
    Certainly intolerance is not a character trait I hold in high esteem and I have not experienced the intolerance homosexuals have faced in this country. So I can only empathize with your experiences as a gay man where that is concerned. And certainly you have reasoned in your own accord what your behavior is going to be with atheists and that is a choice you have made. I, however, always enjoy a challenge and in particular I find it quite satisfying to have someone assassinate my character because they have a self-perceived superior intellect or believe they argue from a superior position of knowledge, or gnosis if you will. Indeed I do...and that may be why I came to DP, for the stimulation and excitement of written debate.

    Nonetheless I am still disappointed in Christianity and the lack of God's Grace...and from my personal experience, in particular from the protestant side of the house. Certainly if Christians were less legalistic, less condemning and more willing to accept "...for no man is without sin...", including themselves, and in understanding offer Grace to the world at large, I personally believe there would be less charges of hypocrisy from those on the outside looking in.

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Certainly if Christians were less legalistic, less condemning and more willing to accept "...for no man is without sin...", including themselves

    Totally bogus...

    "...for no man is without sin..." is one of the main beliefs of Christians of all dominations. I don't know where you have ever found Christians who do not believe...

    Of course, there are some groups of nuts, but it is like saying that all Americans are serial murderers because there are serial murderers in America..

    .... Unless you have some kind of a really bad skeleton in your closet, which makes you start shaking and fearing when a van caring a Christian group to a meeting passes by your house.

    Do you really have to run out and to announce what is in your closet and to hold the van from its way?

    Do you really need all of them to get out of the van and start praying for you?

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    Totally bogus...

    "...for no man is without sin..." is one of the main beliefs of Christians of all dominations. I don't know where you have ever found Christians who do not believe...

    Of course, there are some groups of nuts, but it is like saying that all Americans are serial murderers because there are serial murderers in America..

    .... Unless you have some kind of a really bad skeleton in your closet, which makes you start shaking and fearing when a van caring a Christian group to a meeting passes by your house.

    Do you really have to run out and to announce what is in your closet and to hold the van from its way?

    Do you really need all of them to get out of the van and start praying for you?
    Did you try reading all of my posts, and in particular the ones to jallman, in this thread or are you just reacting to this parsed quote? If you don't mind and with all due respect, before I respond any further I would like to know that you have read all my posts in this thread. An affirmation you have would be great and then we can explore what I have written, why I have written it, and the parts you disagree with further.

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Jesus talks to no one. If someone says that Jesus speaks to them, they are saying that Jesus exists. It'd be funny if it were proven that there is no Jesus because what would these people say then?

    Adults who claim to speak to Jesus are just plain nuts, and that's all that needs to be said about that.
    As for children 'talking' to Jesus? I'd wager a guess their parents have brainwashed the kid into believing Jesus speaks to them.

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    Jesus talks to no one. If someone says that Jesus speaks to them, they are saying that Jesus exists. It'd be funny if it were proven that there is no Jesus because what would these people say then?

    Adults who claim to speak to Jesus are just plain nuts, and that's all that needs to be said about that.
    As for children 'talking' to Jesus? I'd wager a guess their parents have brainwashed the kid into believing Jesus speaks to them.
    It depends on perspective and context. I am not a Christian. If someone says that Jesus speaks to them, I would want context. If they say that they hear Jesus' voice as clear as they hear a friend's voice, I would be concerned for their mental health. If they say that they hear Jesus in acts, in the bible, and in choices, I'd say they were faithful to whatever religion they believed. To say that the latter scenario is absurd, or people who believe in it are nuts is not only inaccurate and narrow-minded, but is precisely the kind of prejudice, judgmentalness, and intolerance jallman was talking about. People who profess this are just as bad and inconsequential as the fundamentalists they do not like.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Certainly intolerance is not a character trait I hold in high esteem and I have not experienced the intolerance homosexuals have faced in this country.
    I'm not so sure I feel that strongly about intolerance anymore. Certainly I do not appreciate denigration and devaluation of people, either individually or in a group. However, that's only one facet of what we have adopted as a magic word with "intolerance".

    I firmly believe that total tolerance leads to intolerance eventually. Let's use our pseudo-intellectual friends, the atheists, as an example. Tolerance of atheism is a good thing; they have every right to believe as they wish. However, I find no reason to tolerate their lack of belief when it comes to issues like how to influence our society. We've tried that and now look where we are; we have a toleration of pedophiles writing manuals to rape young boys and get away with it (thanks ACLU), we have a toleration of city governments trying to curb public Christmas celebrations, and we tolerate removal of historically relevant monuments from our courthouses just to keep the most rabid among the atheist contingent from having their heads explode when they come in contact with anything even quasi religious in nature. And most recently it has been made abundantly clear that we must tolerate atheists' bashing of Christians when we engage in discourse and conversation? I don't think so. Look back through this thread and any other that deals with religious issues and see the scorn and open hostility that is shown toward Christianity by our deluded "friends" and how they claim tolerance is their mantra while showing the exact same intolerance that they decry when a Christian lashes back (because eventually, enough is enough even for a Christian). Total tolerance eventually led to intolerance.

    So I can only empathize with your experiences as a gay man where that is concerned. And certainly you have reasoned in your own accord what your behavior is going to be with atheists and that is a choice you have made.
    I suppose I should clarify something here: I don't have an inherent distrust or dislike of atheists. In fact, most of my extended family is atheist, I work daily with atheists, and my closest friend is a "devout" atheist. We can converse in a productive and enjoyable manner about everything under the sun. However, I am quick to pick up on the sarcastic undertones, the subtle slights against the intelligence of Christians, and the insinuations that Christians are all Haggards and Pope Urbines and Jerry Falwells. I have no guilt at all and make no apology for immediately putting up a wall and showing an equal measure of disdain and derision for an atheist. And my experience has shown me that a significant enough majority of atheists behave in the way I claim that I am perfectly comfortable painting them all with a broad brush and taking note of the few exceptions who behave rationally and respectfully.

    I, however, always enjoy a challenge and in particular I find it quite satisfying to have someone assassinate my character because they have a self-perceived superior intellect or believe they argue from a superior position of knowledge, or gnosis if you will. Indeed I do...and that may be why I came to DP, for the stimulation and excitement of written debate.
    What challenge and stimulation can you expect when you are dealing with an arrogant tool who approaches you with the attitude that you are insane or stupid from the very onset? How can you hope to have an honest and open discourse with a half-wit who's only claim to intelligence is that he must vehemently and derisively attack you for your beliefs? What excitement is there in being relegated to the status of an object of disdain for an irrational mob whose mouthfoaming only gains momentum in the presence of their peers and who, by force of their numbers and cohesive group-think mentality, stonewall any attempt at open discourse because they actually pat each other on the back for showing as much disrespect as possible? Oh yeah...atheists, when in like company, develop a mob mentality that takes on a "burn the witch" feeling and it is almost comical watching them encourage each other to lose all civility in speech while at the same time sipping their lattes with the pinky raised in imitation of manners.

    I've no interest in conversation with or tolerance of such a crackpot mentality. But then, as I have said, I am under no real obligation to do so. I stick up for Christians because they need it right now just like gay men and women needed it 20 years ago. I am decidedly on the side of the Christians when it comes to any conflict simply because I find atheist to be worse than latte liberals; dull, pretentious, and given to extreme intolerance. Plus they are just plain whiny and spineless (have you ever seen how it takes half a dozen of them to take on one Christian when they have had enough? Who wouldn't root for the Christian when they see that kind of dogpiling?).

    Nonetheless I am still disappointed in Christianity and the lack of God's Grace...and from my personal experience, in particular from the protestant side of the house. Certainly if Christians were less legalistic, less condemning and more willing to accept "...for no man is without sin...", including themselves, and in understanding offer Grace to the world at large, I personally believe there would be less charges of hypocrisy from those on the outside looking in.
    I don't think anything is going to sway the atheist mob in the direction of civility toward Christians. I think the real hypocrisy in this issue is they way atheists scream tolerance in their coffee shops and juice bars but act completely intolerant of others who don't adopt their pitifully unimaginative faithlessness.

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    I hate coffee shops and juice bars.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I hate coffee shops and juice bars.
    You aren't an uncivil, insecure worm who needs his peers to validate his intelligence either.

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    Re: Does Jesus talk to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You aren't an uncivil, insecure worm who needs his peers to validate his intelligence either.
    I hate coffee. I like juice, but not so much that it warrants it's own bar.
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