• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Do you believe 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?


  • Total voters
    53
I don't know how that determination can be made. Let's just try this to see if it works. Everybody who voted illegally in the recent presidential election raise your hands. Hands please. Ah, both hands, up high. Keep 'em up until you are counted and the nice officer puts the zip ties around your wrists. Thank you.
 
The problem is that his statement as unlikely as it is, is NOT demonstrably false.
Without a voter ID system in place, there is not way to validate that the people who voted were who they said they were.

But yet some Claim it is happening, hmmmm
 
The problem is that because of a lack of voter ID laws, his statement cannot be proven one way or another.
I personally think if massive voter fraud was occurring, it would be with the mail in ballots,
but I would not be surprised if some illegals voted also.

If his statement can't be proven either way he shouldn't have said it, should he.
 
I have quite a few friends that may, or may not be here legally. They ALWAYS lay low. When you are on the lam from ICE, it's best that you simply blend into the background like a chameleon. Voting would draw too much attention. Many are not fluent (hmm) in English. Why in the hell would they go vote?
 
Even some Republicans are now beginning to suspect that Trump is delusional. His obsession with elections numbers and inauguration numbers and popularity portends to deeper problems for the nation under his direction.

He has Spicer do a briefing just to address the inauguration numbers, where Spicer began to lose credibility as a result. Conway has to resort to "alternate facts" to try to cover for the President. All the while Trump is fixated on fake numbers and fake reality.

Good lord, the man won the election. He is the President. That is reality and seemingly and a reality that Trump has problems seeing at a very basic level.

Trump can't stop himself. His staff cannot stop him. He went on about it at the CIA, then in a closed meeting with legislators. Now he obsessed with illegal voters! Trump is unstable. Members of the GOP are trying to put as much distance from Trumpian madness as they can. Ryan pressed for an answer admitted that he didn't believe Trump's most recent numbers delusions. Other ranking Republicans when pressed have said that they didn't believe Trump's illegal voting delusions. Most it seems have wisely tried to avoid commenting on that or Trump in that regard.

"If we're entering a brave new world of government assault on consensus reality, that will have far-reaching consequences not yet obvious." JM Burger

Which are these "some Republicans are now beginning to suspect that Trump is delusional.", please?

Trump exaggerates. Get used to it.

Like all great story tellers and salesmen, he embellishes. A lot. Its not quite an all out lie like the well known, "you can keep your doctor", "keep your plan", and it is not a red line drawn in the sand. Its the media that is obsessed with the numbers far more than Trump seems to be.

I suspect his use of "illegals" would include anyone that voted illegally, not just "undocumented aliens" as the left might label it. Just who does know the extents to what the left is capable?. Rigging their own nomination process, subversion of the media in the debates/otherwise, paid operatives sent on missions of disruption, with violence, of the Trump rallies...

Then, and still now, what we have seen since in the streets? This from the left which hypocritically and with scathing attacks ridiculed Trump for even suggesting he would not accept the results.

Of course time to heal is necessary. The losers have to grouse a bit having been defeated so soundly all across the board, But do I have an Amen when I say, this is starting to get rather annoying.

At some point the children will need spanked.

With all the access routes to power by the left ostensibly empty shells of what they once were, or thought they were, the political power, media power, academia and the influence of brain dead Hollywoody wood peckerheads that have all have gone the way of the Dodo...

And truly without a single person even on the horizon anything any where near approaching the PT Barnum style tweeter gravitas with which the "rest" of America is becoming rather quickly comfortable. A DJT offensive... its fun to watch them scramble for crumbs he tosses them...

Like this hilarious but quickly becoming monotonous bull****. But I guess when the race, gender and multicultural decks have already been marked and exploited to death, played until they are of no further use, well, the crap sandwich card is the only card left available to be played...

Keep laying down the crap sandwich cards, they all get Trumped by all the jokers he has up his sleeves. And having run Casinos, he understands the House usually wins, the White House.

The guy is like the political reincarnation of Andrew Breitbart. Always knowing as they are truly so predictable if studied and then challenged, ahead by three or four steps of the continually outplayed opposition.

They keep scratching their heads in wonderment at their "bad luck". If it were not for bad luck they wouldn't have any luck at all. But that luck is not at play. These overly educated yet blind as a bat [ baseball type ] truly absent minded idiots do not even see the game board until its already collapsing before the crush of a new Trump onslaught.

Its can be scary. We Republicans do need keep a level/jaundiced eye on the goings on since the Dems are too incompetent/ too far out in the stench of their own sewage pits of "credibility" to call much of anything foul.

PS I will wait to vote until something like real evidence one way or the other happens along...and if it doesn't, Trump wins, ha ha ha.
 
Last edited:
I'm a republican and I have to say it's nonsense that millions of illegals voted.

One, why would an illegal immigrant risk illegally voting? He gains nothing and risks jail and deportation.

Two, if this were some kind of conspiracy why would the leaders of the conspiracy have most of the illegals cast their votes in California? How would extra votes help in a state that the democrats already knew they'd win?

Three, if there's millions of illegals voting how did they get the message to do such a thing? Wouldn't a secret "vote for Clinton" message be detected by someone? I mean how do you contact three million people who live in the shadows without anyone else catching on?

Trump should just say "Hey, I wasn't campaigning for the popular vote, I was campaigning for the electoral vote. If I was campaigning for the popular vote I would have won that bigly too."
 
Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Trump told leaders 'illegals' cost him popular vote | TheHill



The gift that just keeps on giving.
Where is the evidence. Or is this an alternative reality that only Trump can see??

Such actions would undermine the US Electoral system. It would take thousands to perpetrate such an act.
Now if such is the case, where are the investigations?

I am a Dem – No

I am a Dem – Yes

I am Repub- Yes

I am a Repub – No

I am Ind – Ye

I am Ind – No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddr035th1QM

Thoughts are???

I'll sidestep the "according to sources" BS that immediately pegs my BS o Meter and offer this.

Prove they didn't.

That's the problem. It's easy to laugh and say no way, but that is not based on fact, just assumption.

I do believe illegal aliens had a massive influence on the results in California which provided all the popular vote margin for Hillary, with more than a million votes to spare.
 
FFS can we just do a reasonable bipartisan voter ID (like almost every other developed democracy in the world) so we never have to deal with this conspiratorial nonsense again?

FFS can't we just all wear tinfoil hats to kowtow to conspiracy theorists?

No, no we won't. And we shouldn't.
 
The problem with forcing people to pay any kind of cost, no matter how slight, in order to exercise their right to vote, is that doing so constitutes a poll tax.

If there were a way for poor residents to receive a state ID free of any charge, including any transportation costs or time off from work, I would soften my stance against voter ID laws considerably.

Time and mobility are resources that many Americans sorely lack.
 
I believe Trump is either mentally ill or the most reckless and irresponsible president in the history of the nation to say such a thing without presenting proof of this claim.

That covers the entire issue.

He is really hurting himself with these stupid comments that bare no truth. Instead of focusing on what he has proposed he keeps going back to the election. It is becoming alarming that he can't let this go. He won
 
I'm a republican and I have to say it's nonsense that millions of illegals voted.

One, why would an illegal immigrant risk illegally voting? He gains nothing and risks jail and deportation.

Two, if this were some kind of conspiracy why would the leaders of the conspiracy have most of the illegals cast their votes in California? How would extra votes help in a state that the democrats already knew they'd win?

Three, if there's millions of illegals voting how did they get the message to do such a thing? Wouldn't a secret "vote for Clinton" message be detected by someone? I mean how do you contact three million people who live in the shadows without anyone else catching on?

Trump should just say "Hey, I wasn't campaigning for the popular vote, I was campaigning for the electoral vote. If I was campaigning for the popular vote I would have won that bigly too."

I appreciate your reasoning.
 
I believe Trump is either mentally ill or the most reckless and irresponsible president in the history of the nation to say such a thing without presenting proof of this claim.

That covers the entire issue.

He is mentally ill.... he has narcissistic personality disorder, which positions him to perhaps be the most reckless and irresponsible president in the history of the nation

Is Donald Trump Actually a Narcissist? Therapists Weigh In! | Vanity Fair
A professional opinion: You don't need a psychiatrist to know there's something wrong with Donald Trump - LA Times
A Psychological Analysis of Donald Trump - Shrink Tank
Is Donald Trump Mentally Ill? 3 Professors Of Psychiatry Ask President Obama To Conduct 'A Full Medical And Neuropsychiatric Evaluation' | The Huffington Post
A Psychologist Analyzes Donald Trump’s Personality - The Atlantic
 
Thanks. Yea I voted for Trump (but mostly against Clinton) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that he's a knucklehead sometimes.

I understand that many voters were reluctant to vote for the candidate they chose. These people are generally better able to hold their leadership to account. We, as a country, sorely need more of the strength you have demonstrated here.
 
Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Trump told leaders 'illegals' cost him popular vote | TheHill



The gift that just keeps on giving.
Where is the evidence. Or is this an alternative reality that only Trump can see??

Such actions would undermine the US Electoral system. It would take thousands to perpetrate such an act.
Now if such is the case, where are the investigations?

I am a Dem – No

I am a Dem – Yes

I am Repub- Yes

I am a Repub – No

I am Ind – Ye

I am Ind – No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddr035th1QM

Thoughts are???

I have no doubt that 'some' illegals end up voting in the election.. 3-5 million is quite unlikely though.
 
I have quite a few friends that may, or may not be here legally. They ALWAYS lay low. When you are on the lam from ICE, it's best that you simply blend into the background like a chameleon. Voting would draw too much attention. Many are not fluent (hmm) in English. Why in the hell would they go vote?

Yes. The idea that an illegal would risk being caught OR accused of voter fraud just to register one vote, that, at least in California, meant nothing, is grossly absurd. I am not certain why Trump insists on lying about things where he is so easily caught, it does nothing but undermind what little credibility he has.

I have no doubt that 'some' illegals end up voting in the election.. 3-5 million is quite unlikely though.

Quite unlikely is an incredible understatement.... incomprehensible would be more line with the odds. The number is likely in the low thousands.
 
Last edited:
the logistics alone make the statment completely retarded and one of the most nonsensical he has made. :shrug:
 
Trump said it is true, so it is true - period. Get use to our new Head Mother****er in Charge saying and doing anything he pleases.

Oh, and forget about the 3 branches of Government. Trump is the HMIC over the entire government. It's gonna work just like Trump Inc. In fact the Republic of the United States of America is now the United States of Trump Inc.

Oh, and when the HMIC wins the next term and says there were 30 to 50 million illegal voters then there were 30 to 50 million illegal voters - and the only proof needed is because the HMIC says it's right. And don't nobody forget it! Ya dig?
 
Personally I think the total number of illegals who voted was between 2 and 3. Not 2 or 3 million but 2 or 3 individual people. And I know where they hang out.

What I'm about to tell you is true. While in CVS I heard a Mexican woman telling two Mexican guys (in Spanish which I speak) that if an immigrant votes that immigrant automatically becomes a citizen of the United States.
I butted in and told them it wasn't true. I don't think they all believed me. So probably a couple of them voted.

So Trump is probably right about illegals having voted. He's just off by 2,999,998.
 
The problem is that because of a lack of voter ID laws, his statement cannot be proven one way or another.
I personally think if massive voter fraud was occurring, it would be with the mail in ballots,
but I would not be surprised if some illegals voted also.

I kind of took to this issue when it happened in Texas. And still is. I'm for ID laws if they are easy. College ID works, CHL works, a free voting ID from the DPS where you show a bill or something works. But I have lost a wallet in Texas. I know there is nothing easy about it.

You can't disprove a negative. But the saying people dead 10 years ago voted. Not true, on the rolls, but votes not cast.
Illegals voting is usually a name issue and paperwork, bad purges by election officials, etc. But actual illegals walking in to disrupt the system, not real. What is the incentive? One vote? What is the disincentive? Prison or deportation?
The only cases of multiple votes cast by one person is by using mail in voting. As you seem to know, mail in votes were never included in the Voter ID laws. The only type with actual documented history, be it a very small history, is ignored, while one with little to no history is pursued.

Sorry but to be completely blunt you have the CIA, FBI, NSA, British intel, etc. say Russia hacked the election. Straight up, period! Versus Infowars. Trump picks infowars. Voter ID picks in-person fraud. What the heck?
 
Do you think 3-5 million illegal voters voted?
No, but it is worth pointing out, that we have no way to know one way or another if it had.
 
That argument is demonstrably false, because those who wish to claim voter fraud will simply move the goal posts... why those Dems crank out fake IDs, or documents in the states that allow other forms of ID... :roll:

Facts are simple, for all the Pubs hunted voter fraud through the decades they have uncovered little by voters at the ballot box and any problems came at the voter officials level... :peace
And still, the system, as it is now, could not detect if such fraud had occurred, well except for states with voter ID laws.
 
Back
Top Bottom