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Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Do you believe 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

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Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Trump told leaders 'illegals' cost him popular vote | TheHill

But Trump apparently couldn't resist taking a jab across the aisle, telling the gathering of bipartisan leaders that he'd lost the popular vote only because of rampant voter fraud by "illegals," according to a pair of sources familiar with the conversation.
"He said 3 to 5 million 'illegals' voted so that's why he lost popular vote," said a Democratic aide.
"That's exactly what he said," said a second source familiar with the exchange.
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The gift that just keeps on giving.
Where is the evidence. Or is this an alternative reality that only Trump can see??

Such actions would undermine the US Electoral system. It would take thousands to perpetrate such an act.
Now if such is the case, where are the investigations?

I am a Dem – No

I am a Dem – Yes

I am Repub- Yes

I am a Repub – No

I am Ind – Ye

I am Ind – No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddr035th1QM

Thoughts are???
 
I believe Trump is either mentally ill or the most reckless and irresponsible president in the history of the nation to say such a thing without presenting proof of this claim.

That covers the entire issue.
 
JANFU said:
Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Trump told leaders 'illegals' cost him popular vote | TheHill



The gift that just keeps on giving.
Where is the evidence. Or is this an alternative reality that only Trump can see??

Such actions would undermine the US Electoral system. It would take thousands to perpetrate such an act.
Now if such is the case, where are the investigations?

I am a Dem – No

I am a Dem – Yes

I am Repub- Yes

I am a Repub – No

I am Ind – Ye

I am Ind – No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddr035th1QM

Thoughts are???
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The problem is that because of a lack of voter ID laws, his statement cannot be proven one way or another.
I personally think if massive voter fraud was occurring, it would be with the mail in ballots,
but I would not be surprised if some illegals voted also.
 
The man can NOT take any criticisms or even a minor defeat.

Everything that touches him or his life has to be the best, the biggest, the greatest, etc. He' goes to the CIA and whines about the media reporting how few people were at his swearing-in. Here he's whining about LOSING the popular vote.

This is the guy who, rightfully, berated the House Republicans for them wanting to gut ethics committee because as he said 'there are more important things to address'. But then for 2-3 days all he's doing is whining about and 'addressing' is minor **** like how many were in a crowd and how he lost the popular vote.

What a wussy.
 
Do you believe 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?
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of course not. some argue that he says this outlandish, demonstrably false stuff in order to draw attention away from other issues that might otherwise receive more scrutiny. i suppose that's possible. it's also possible that he actually believes the **** that he says. he is a birther, after all.
 
No illegal is going to risk being caught to vote. My God most American citizens don't vote. In most people's lives, unfortunately, voting is way down their list... Especially to illegals because if they get caught, they're gone.

So I doubt 3-5 illegals voted, let alone 3-5 million.
 
Even some Republicans are now beginning to suspect that Trump is delusional. His obsession with elections numbers and inauguration numbers and popularity portends to deeper problems for the nation under his direction.

He has Spicer do a briefing just to address the inauguration numbers, where Spicer began to lose credibility as a result. Conway has to resort to "alternate facts" to try to cover for the President. All the while Trump is fixated on fake numbers and fake reality.

Good lord, the man won the election. He is the President. That is reality and seemingly and a reality that Trump has problems seeing at a very basic level.

Trump can't stop himself. His staff cannot stop him. He went on about it at the CIA, then in a closed meeting with legislators. Now he obsessed with illegal voters! Trump is unstable. Members of the GOP are trying to put as much distance from Trumpian madness as they can. Ryan pressed for an answer admitted that he didn't believe Trump's most recent numbers delusions. Other ranking Republicans when pressed have said that they didn't believe Trump's illegal voting delusions. Most it seems have wisely tried to avoid commenting on that or Trump in that regard.

"If we're entering a brave new world of government assault on consensus reality, that will have far-reaching consequences not yet obvious." JM Burger
 
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JANFU said:
Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Trump told leaders 'illegals' cost him popular vote | TheHill



The gift that just keeps on giving.
Where is the evidence. Or is this an alternative reality that only Trump can see??

Such actions would undermine the US Electoral system. It would take thousands to perpetrate such an act.
Now if such is the case, where are the investigations?

I am a Dem – No

I am a Dem – Yes

I am Repub- Yes

I am a Repub – No

I am Ind – Ye

I am Ind – No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddr035th1QM

Thoughts are???
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I suspect some did vote. But not so many yet. Next time more will.
 
Helix said:
of course not. some argue that he says this outlandish, demonstrably false stuff in order to draw attention away from other issues that might otherwise receive more scrutiny. i suppose that's possible. it's also possible that he actually believes the **** that he says. he is a birther, after all.
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The problem is that his statement as unlikely as it is, is NOT demonstrably false.
Without a voter ID system in place, there is not way to validate that the people who voted were who they said they were.
 
longview said:
The problem is that his statement as unlikely as it is, is NOT demonstrably false.
Without a voter ID system in place, there is not way to validate that the people who voted were who they said they were.
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it's a bull**** statement. he didn't lose the popular vote because of undocumented immigrants voting illegally.
 
JANFU said:
Thoughts are???
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My thoughts are:

This claim is total utter nonsense, it's conspiracy thinking, it shows his deep insecurity about the election, and how deeply unfit Trump is for the office.
 
Helix said:
it's a bull**** statement. he didn't lose the popular vote because of undocumented immigrants voting illegally.
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The irony is, that there is no way to prove the statement false, because the means to prove it was rejected by the liberals.
 
There is no way that many illegals voted. I'd bet my life that SOME illegals voted but not THAT many.
 
JANFU said:
Trump 3-5 M illegals vote in the Presidential election?

Trump told leaders 'illegals' cost him popular vote | TheHill



The gift that just keeps on giving.
Where is the evidence. Or is this an alternative reality that only Trump can see??

Such actions would undermine the US Electoral system. It would take thousands to perpetrate such an act.
Now if such is the case, where are the investigations?

I am a Dem – No

I am a Dem – Yes

I am Repub- Yes

I am a Repub – No

I am Ind – Ye

I am Ind – No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddr035th1QM

Thoughts are???
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Uh oh, now the right is going to have to admit that there is such a thing as a popular vote because President Trump said so and does their thinking for them.
 
Helix said:
it's a bull**** statement. he didn't lose the popular vote because of undocumented immigrants voting illegally.
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And Paul Ryan confirmed what you said today, along with a host of other Republicans .
 
FFS can we just do a reasonable bipartisan voter ID (like almost every other developed democracy in the world) so we never have to deal with this conspiratorial nonsense again?
 
Helix said:
of course not. some argue that he says this outlandish, demonstrably false stuff in order to draw attention away from other issues that might otherwise receive more scrutiny. i suppose that's possible. it's also possible that he actually believes the **** that he says. he is a birther, after all.
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So, there's no 'happy' explanation. He's nuts, evil or both.
 
longview said:
The irony is, that there is no way to prove the statement false, because the means to prove it was rejected by the liberals.
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Sherman123 said:
FFS can we just do a reasonable bipartisan voter ID (like almost every other developed democracy in the world) so we never have to deal with this conspiratorial nonsense again?
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Sure. A national ID card that the FedGov is required to issue to every citizen by 1 month prior to their 18th birthday.

Paid for by a tax on people that think voter fraud (of the type an id would prevent) is a problem.

(the 2nd sentence is a joke, kind of...)
 
If 3-5 million illegal immigrants did vote in the election, wouldn't it be an abject failure if the President fails to do anything practical to address that large and significant problem before the next election?
 
longview said:
The problem is that because of a lack of voter ID laws, his statement cannot be proven one way or another.
I personally think if massive voter fraud was occurring, it would be with the mail in ballots,
but I would not be surprised if some illegals voted also.
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Do you think 3-5 million illegal voters voted?
 
Porkuloss said:
Sure. A national ID card that the FedGov is required to issue to every citizen by 1 month prior to their 18th birthday.

Paid for by a tax on people that think voter fraud (of the type an id would prevent) is a problem.

(the 2nd sentence is a joke, kind of...)
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The problem with forcing people to pay any kind of cost, no matter how slight, in order to exercise their right to vote, is that doing so constitutes a poll tax.

If there were a way for poor residents to receive a state ID free of any charge, including any transportation costs or time off from work, I would soften my stance against voter ID laws considerably.
 
longview said:
The problem is that his statement as unlikely as it is, is NOT demonstrably false.
Without a voter ID system in place, there is not way to validate that the people who voted were who they said they were.
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That argument is demonstrably false, because those who wish to claim voter fraud will simply move the goal posts... why those Dems crank out fake IDs, or documents in the states that allow other forms of ID... :roll:

Facts are simple, for all the Pubs hunted voter fraud through the decades they have uncovered little by voters at the ballot box and any problems came at the voter officials level... :peace
 
longview said:
The problem is that his statement as unlikely as it is, is NOT demonstrably false.
Without a voter ID system in place, there is not way to validate that the people who voted were who they said they were.
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If we extended early voting to three full weeks before the election in all places then Hillary would have won the election by 10 million votes and the electoral college in a landslide. And if you want proof that I'm right, refer to your statement that it's not "demonstrably false".

I'm not against voter ID, but we shouldn't pretend as if Trump is on to something when he just makes **** up. If he wants to make that claim then he needs to prove it. His **** for brain followers will buy it but that doesn't mean anything to me. If we want voter ID laws we should argue the merit of them and the best way to implement them, not whether or not they might make that orange crusted bloated pathetic piece of crap feel better about getting less votes.
 
Phys251 said:
The problem with forcing people to pay any kind of cost, no matter how slight, in order to exercise their right to vote, is that doing so constitutes a poll tax.

If there were a way for poor residents to receive a state ID free of any charge, including any transportation costs or time off from work, I would soften my stance against voter ID laws considerably.
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Not to mention a fairly long grace period before the law goes in to affect. As in if we create a voter ID law, it isn't enforced for 2 years or with plenty of time for people to comply, even the poorest amongst us.
 
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