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Should vaccines be mandatory?

Should vaccinations be mandatory

  • yes

    Votes: 32 55.2%

  • no

    Votes: 23 39.7%

  • not sure

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • Total voters
    58
Redress said:
I voted no, but it was painful. Vaccination works, it is one of the safer things you will do in your life, and it benefits not just the person vaccinated, but those around them. However, I do not think it is the government's role to tell people what medical treatment they have to get. That just strikes me as antithetical to what we as a country should be.
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Does that mean that if the government will not protect me from the irresponsible behaviours of others that I can and should take matters into my own hands when an irresponsible someone puts me at risk. Can I punch their lights out or otherwise keep them away from me and my children by force? Sounds like anarchy is the alternative to government edict. Either that or the miscreants get away with harmful behaviour with impunity.
 
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Russell797 said:
So you have no problem with an irresponsible someone intentionally disregarding your welfare by blowing viruses or smoke into your airspace? Interesting. They have been informed by science that they are putting you at risk but you just don't care? Or maybe, once again we have a case of science denial.

As far as I'm concerned, someone blowing smoke or viruses into my airspace is guilty of assault, if not legally then in principle.
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How are you going to police that? someone has intestinal flu (no vaccine for that) and doesn't wipe their hands after they crap. they open the bathroom door and you pick it up.

I get all the vaccines I can-Tetanus, Shingles, Flu, Yellow fever, etc but there are lots of diseases-like colds-that there is no vaccine for

So what are you going to do-lock people up who don't? shoot them? put the scarlet letter on their forehead? how are you going to prove that the reason why you are puking in your toilet is because the guy sitting next to you on the plane had the runs?

Think this through
 
Henrin said:
How does someone opposed to the government telling them what to do with their body(which this does indirectly) mean they are a hippy liberal or anti-government extremist
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Because the science is pretty damned simple on the whole vaccine thing. Vaccines are good.
 
blackjack50 said:
Because the science is pretty damned simple on the whole vaccine thing. Vaccines are good.
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true but I don't know how you police forcing people to get them short of denying kids without them admission to public schools. as to adults-you cannot unless we want a far more fascist society than we already have
 
Gina said:
Yes, with exceptions for allergic reactions to the immunizations and compromised immune systems (and other situations like that).

Protecting kids against preventable diseases is an easy choice, unless the above is has relevance.

EDIT: They already are mandatory if they go to public school. Or even private pre-k schools.
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In Colorado, you can opt out with a religious exemption. My friend has 6 children who are not vaccinated, some of whom attend public schools.
 
Absolutely. Herd immunity matters.
 
Henrin said:
Just because something is a good idea to do doesn't mean the government should mandate it.
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So you want more children to get sick?
 
TurtleDude said:
true but I don't know how you police forcing people to get them short of denying kids without them admission to public schools. as to adults-you cannot unless we want a far more fascist society than we already have
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  • Doctors should be allowed to refuse services to unvaccinated people. Doctors who do service unvaccinated people should be required to state that to all their patients. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed in the same wards as other patients, and should have to pick up that tab themselves. This is due to the health risk unvaccinated people pose to to other patients.
  • Schools should be mandated to refuse services to unvaccinated children.
  • A registry should be put in place of unvaccinated people so that people can find out if their neighbors have unvaccinated kids. Such a list should be circulated to parents with new-borns, and to the families of medical patients who are unable to be vaccinated. If you or your child is not vaccinated for medical reasons, you should be able to know who is also not vaccinated (regardless if for medical reasons or dumb reasons).

One of the major points here is that the biggest danger of not vaccinating is not harm unto themselves but harm unto other people. By definition, the people most at risk from the diseases that we vaccinate against are the people who can't vaccinate against them because their immune systems are compromised in some sort of way. It's a catch 22, the people who are most at risk are the ones unable to protect themselves because their bodies can't handle the protection process.
 
blackjack50 said:
Because the science is pretty damned simple on the whole vaccine thing. Vaccines are good.
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That argument sucks. Not only does it not defend your prior statement, but it doesn't even make a lick of difference to rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
How are you going to police that? someone has intestinal flu (no vaccine for that) and doesn't wipe their hands after they crap. they open the bathroom door and you pick it up.

I get all the vaccines I can-Tetanus, Shingles, Flu, Yellow fever, etc but there are lots of diseases-like colds-that there is no vaccine for

So what are you going to do-lock people up who don't? shoot them? put the scarlet letter on their forehead? how are you going to prove that the reason why you are puking in your toilet is because the guy sitting next to you on the plane had the runs?

Think this through
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So we can't police certain behaviours and actions. That's obvious. The point though is to set the standard of behaviour expected regardless. It's not OK to recklessly behave around others. It's not OK to blow smoke in someone's face and laugh about it as has happened to me. It's not OK to not vaccinate your kids if you want to let them out into society. Society makes a statement with the laws is expects others to follow.

If you are sick you should stay home. That's how to properly treat others. I know we always can't do that, the boss doesn't give a rat's ass about it or who you may sicken. Again though if you're sick and you cough in my face don't be surprised if I slug you back.
 
Russell797 said:
It is a serious question because the consequences of not vaccinating are more sick kids. How can it be seen as anything but?
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Who said anything about not vaccinating?
 
TurtleDude said:
true but I don't know how you police forcing people to get them short of denying kids without them admission to public schools. as to adults-you cannot unless we want a far more fascist society than we already have
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You require record of immunization for entry into the country. You require immunization for entry into certain things and it will happen.

Yes. It is a logistical nightmare. But vaccines are good. Period. I know I'm being extreme. But that is because the other side is ridiculous as well.


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blackjack50 said:
You require record of immunization for entry into the country. You require immunization for entry into certain things and it will happen.

Yes. It is a logistical nightmare. But vaccines are good. Period. I know I'm being extreme. But that is because the other side is ridiculous as well.


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I swear I recall back in the 60's in Illinois it was literally " Do the vaccines or else your kid is not entering school".

Which is the way it should be.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I swear I recall back in the 60's in Illinois it was literally " Do the vaccines or else your kid is not entering school".

Which is the way it should be.
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That is the only way it should be. And back in the 60s people were alive who remembered polio.


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blackjack50 said:
That is the only way it should be. And back in the 60s people were alive who remembered polio.


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Yes that, and I think they had grandparents alive who had seen or at least heard of mass death by way of microbes, who made sure that the young folk understood how much the alternative to vaccines sucks, has always sucked.

We also trusted government back then, which sure helped on these sorts of basic tasks of civilization.
 
Mandatory? No thanks, I'm not a statist.
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Henrin said:
How does someone opposed to the government telling them what to do with their body(which this does indirectly) mean they are a hippy liberal or anti-government extremist
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Because, not only does it effect your child, but it will effect any child that 1) has a valid medical reason not to get vaccinated, and 2) is too young to get vaccinated. I feel that if your not getting (or not vaccinating your kids) cause another person's child to die, you should be charged with a felony.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"Do not kill your neighbor" is one idea that should be mandatory.

So too "you will get vaccinated so that we dont have to deal with a pandemic".
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Meh, my mother didn't need to be forced to be vaccinated and anti-vax children aren't allowed to play with my nieces and nephews, let alone enroll in their schools.

Smart people don't need to be told what to do and can avoid stupid people. No one is relying on herd immunity here.

RAMOSS said:
Because, not only does it effect your child, but it will effect any child that 1) has a valid medical reason not to get vaccinated, and 2) is too young to get vaccinated. I feel that if your not getting (or not vaccinating your kids) cause another person's child to die, you should be charged with a felony.
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I view unvaccinated breath as pollution violating my property rights. Keep it away from me.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Meh, my mother didn't need to be forced to be vaccinated and anti-vax children aren't allowed to play with my nieces and nephews, let alone enroll in their schools.

Smart people don't need to be told what to do and can avoid stupid people. No one is relying on herd immunity here.



I view unvaccinated breath as pollution violating my property rights. Keep it away from me.
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In America circa 2017 there is too short supply of smart people.

Ditto people who care about others.

Civilization is crashing.
 
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