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When Trump leaves office, will America be...

When Trump leaves office, will America be...

  • better

    Votes: 9 17.6%

  • worse

    Votes: 22 43.1%

  • about the same

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 12 23.5%

  • I was told there would be cake

    Votes: 7 13.7%
  • Total voters
    51
Moderate Right said:
It's hard to have an honest debate with someone who has no desire to be honest. If you really believe that about Republicans then there is nothing I can say to change your mind. But, you will also continue to lose elections like you did on November 8th and since 2010. Voters aren't believing those lies anymore. If you want the Democratic party to turn around you are going to have to be more honest with how you talk about the other side and debate the real issues instead of calling the other side names. The choice is yours. Personally, I hope you don't learn.
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What lies are you taking about? Personally I don't think you would know a lie if it hit you in the face. Otherwise you would not support Trump.
Every Republican president since Teddy Roosevelt in the early 1900's endured a recession in their first term, according to an analysis from Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at stock research firm CFRA. Four Republican presidents suffered through two recessions while in office and Republican President Dwight Eisenhower presided over three. Meanwhile, Democrats have largely skated past the recession quicksand. Four in five Democratic presidents saw no recessions during their terms since 1945, Stovall says.
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Trump's turn? Republican presidents rule recessions
 
I don't know. I imagine it will depend on what metric we are using. I imagine in some areas we will be better and in some areas we will be worse off. Unfortunately, one thing I think is certain is the trend of us becoming a more and more divided country will continue, if not accelerate.
 
DA60 said:
When Trump leaves office, will America be...
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Worse for sure. He's already lowered the bar for what is expected of a president from dignified professional to WWF front man.
 
BrewerBob said:
I don't know. I imagine it will depend on what metric we are using. I imagine in some areas we will be better and in some areas we will be worse off. Unfortunately, one thing I think is certain is the trend of us becoming a more and more divided country will continue, if not accelerate.
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I'd write that last sentence a little differently. Unfortunately, one thing I think is certain is the trend of us becoming a much more stupid country will continue, if not accelerate.
 
Lutherf said:
What makes you think he'll leave office?
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Every president before Trump has left....and so will he...unless he declares himself the eternal president. Nobody has stopped him from doing what he wants to do so far.
 
I think it is pretty obvious Obama and his administration along with the Democrats in Congress are doing their best to make a mess for the Trump administration.

Krauthammer the other night called it laying landmines for the Trump administration.

You know Trump can be called a lot of things but I would take him any day over Obama who has continuously violated the Constitution and has politicized every damn agency and institution in our government and abused the executive branch of government. His feckless foreign policy has left things in shambles.

Since Hillary lost, Obama has been involved in seeing that Israel was shot down but good in the latest vote at the UN. He has made so many land grabs at the last minute more than any president before him effecting the livelihoods of thousands of ranchers, farmers and commercial fishermen. Over 1/2 billion acres. With his pen and phone he ended our immigration policies for decades with Cubans. And tonight his buddy Jeh Johnson shoved through under the guise of an emergency regulations that now have put our elections on the path of being nationalized. And the EPA shoved through a mound more regulations on this Friday targeting auto makers. Oh and the latest is up at WaPo . This is unbelievable. Commander Schwartz serves at the privilege of Obama. He is in charge of coordinating all the inauguration security. This involves coordinating with all branches of the military, DC police, FBI etc. Obama has order him dismissed the minute Trump is sworn in and now someone else will have to fill in in the interim. What a piece of ****. Six days and 5 hours before that POS leaves office taking that race baiting police hating Lorretta Lynch and that pathetic John Kerry with him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...5a0438-d99e-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Back at ya mate!

I will work till I drop......seriously! I am lucky enough to love what I do in making run down houses almost new again. If my son takes over, I will slow down to build boats.
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Hey! I used to do that too! We would go and take an old house, get 'er up on the beams and move it half way across the county, and then sit her on blocks and TRY to square it back up and remodel. If I was lucky, I would get a house that I didn't have to move. All this was around Houston, Anderson, Cherokee county. I did pre-fab steel building down around Harris County. I think I made, like, 4.00 an hour. LOL!
 
America is on a downward trajectory, the only difference is whether the degeneration is slowed or accelerated. I anticipate that Trump will be a period of acceleration, based on his policy proposals.
 
Too soon to tell. I hope it's in good shape but as long as its standing, I guess we're good.
 
By the way, the correct answer is: worse.

America was worse after GWB, it is worse now after Obama (though his minions are too blind to see it) and it will DEFINITELY be worse whenever Trump is through...guaranteed.

Trump has a couple interesting ideas; but he has several horrific ones and he is a buffoon. IMO, all he will do is make America better for the top 5% - he could care less about the rest.


Oh, and top those Obamabots/Keynesians/Krugmanites who say 'Obama saved America from the Great Recession'? You utter fools. America has averaged a recession every 6 years or so..some worse then the dreaded 'Great Recession'.
And ALL of them ended (or would have ended) ALL BY THEMSELVES.
The astounding arrogance and ignorance of those who ignore history and assume that this recession would have gone on for years/decades without being bailed out by the government/Fed are staggeringly ignorant.

For those of you with open minds, anyone (no matter how many 'degrees' they have on their walls) who says the Great Recession would have been much worse without Obama/Fed ARE MACROECONOMIC IGNORAMUSES. They are clueless to history and common sense. They DO NOT understand macroeconomics. Ignore them for they know not what they say on this matter.

I KNOW that the recession would have ended long before it did with America being be far, FAR stronger than it presently is had the government let the economy fix itself - put aside more money for those that needed more welfare but stayed the hell out of it.
All they have done is stagnate the economy and force it to be utterly dependent on the government and especially on the Federal Reserve (who have NO IDEA what they are doing) - similar to what the New Deal did to the 1930's.
The New Deal did not save America...it doomed America to a lost decade of stagnation, high unemployment and intense government control of the economy. 'Luckily' (for the American economy), WW2 came along to stop it.
 
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Moon said:
Hoping? No, it's just an assumption since there's no rational reason why he wouldn't.
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Actually, there is a very rational reason he won't. There is a distinct possibility he will be impeached. If his approval rating falls into the 20's (and it starts in the 30's, before he actually does a thing), he becomes poisonous to the party. At that level, he will cost the Cons the house and Senate. Why would the Cons let that happen given they have Pence on the bench (who could serve for up to 10 years). The Donald would be very easy to impeach, especially since he is a walking conflict of interest, has disturbing Russian ties (not to mention is other personality faults, too numerous to mention in this short space, that are already getting him into trouble. The only thing that might keep Trump from being trumped out might be the Democrats that think Pence as a more formidable foe in 2020.

To be clear, I am not arguing (here at least) that this will happen, but it is not only plausible, but a rational outcome to America's problem.
 
DA60 said:
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If he builds the wall, cracks down on illegal immigration and outsourcing,appoints conservative justices and enacts many of the things he campaigned on I say American will be better. However if doesn't do any of those things,appoints RINOs to the supreme court, then America will be about the same.If he enacts many of the liberal things he previously supported then American will be worse. But considering the fact Trump changes his positions more often than a indecisive porn star I had to pick I don't know.
 
I think it will be better than what Hillary would have left us! :lol:
 
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TheGoverness said:
Exactly.

God Emperor Trump is to be annointed with the title of President for Life!
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Exactly.

Prejudging before he has had a chance to do anything is stupid and prejudice.

Of course not as stupid as letting both parties keep us divided so the rich and powerful can rule us with our own government.
 
So far I like the fact that he has already started to keep jobs here by shouting out and letting the American people see what these companies are doing. Trust me Even big corporation do not want to lose the American market by ticking off the average consumer. Until Trump a lot of these companies slid under the radar of most of the country with only a small percentage of the people knowing anything had happened. When the President shouts out where are you going and why can't we make a deal to keep jobs here even big corporations have to watch their step. Or they need get rid of Trump the way they got rid of the Kennedy's.

I am a little worried about what he is going to do with health care. He did say he would keep the good parts that work and fix the problems. I guess I will wait and see. Unfortunately Obama care did not help me. My premiums skyrocketed to pay for those with preexisting conditions and the terminally ill. My taxes subsidized those who are not making a livable wage which is a too much of the countries population.

I have no idea how we can fix this other than getting people back to work making a livable wage so they can pay their own health care.

As far as preexisting conditions or people not paying insurance until late in life when they are getting these extremely expensive ailments is a tough problem.
 
upsideguy said:
Actually, there is a very rational reason he won't. There is a distinct possibility he will be impeached. If his approval rating falls into the 20's (and it starts in the 30's, before he actually does a thing), he becomes poisonous to the party. At that level, he will cost the Cons the house and Senate. Why would the Cons let that happen given they have Pence on the bench (who could serve for up to 10 years). The Donald would be very easy to impeach, especially since he is a walking conflict of interest, has disturbing Russian ties (not to mention is other personality faults, too numerous to mention in this short space, that are already getting him into trouble. The only thing that might keep Trump from being trumped out might be the Democrats that think Pence as a more formidable foe in 2020.

To be clear, I am not arguing (here at least) that this will happen, but it is not only plausible, but a rational outcome to America's problem.
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Sorry, but none of that is rational at all. It takes a lot more than low popularity numbers to be impeached.
 
I am a cup is half full kind of thinker. Since we're being asked to look at tea leaves, I pick the US will be better.
 
Moon said:
Sorry, but none of that is rational at all. It takes a lot more than low popularity numbers to be impeached.
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It takes the party with control of the house to want you out; low popularity (so you have little support) and and issue they can blow-up out of proportion. Trump has all two of three attributes right now. He falls into the toxicity range of 20% approval and he would be very easy to impeach.
 
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