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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Agreed. I don't see the world willing to go to war over NK. Maybe China, which could make it big, but I'm not so sure even of that. It would have to be truly extraordinary circumstances.
    The thing is, before Trump had sat down with the Taiwanese President, China may have let it go without much of an issue. But with shaking up relations with China, if something in NK comes to a head (and it can because god damned in Un a flipping crazy ass megalomaniac), China may be more willing to run a bit of interference. I don't know how far China would go, but their government is aggressive as well. So who knows, but there seems to be a lot more potential now for a much larger outbreak of aggression than before.

    Then again, Infinity War doesn't maintain itself.
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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Yes, but not in my lifetime as I think it would only occur once there was some sort of universal way to stop nuclear warfare...either by dismantling them all (not likely, imo) or a relatively easy way to defend against missile attacks that most nations could afford and which were extremely effective.

    But so long as nuclear war is realistically possible, I do not think the world (as dumb as it is on the whole) will embark on another world war within the next 30-50 years.
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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    If so, how do you think it would start? And maybe what kind?

    I think it's possible. I do think that most countries would be reluctant to engage in a conflict of that size, primarily because they have a lot to lose, but I think it's still possible. I don't think it'd be WW2-like, with countries seeking domination. I think it'd be more WW1-like, where a series of smaller events ends up setting in motion a bunch of falling dominoes and triggers a larger conflict.

    Potential scenario: US and China do a "face down" in the South China Sea. Some incident happens, a ship gets sunk. The other side feels the need to retaliate, and it just snowballs from there, dragging other surrounding countries in who now feel the need to protect their interests. This then invokes self-defense treaties, other countries reacting out of fear and/or self-protection, and so on.

    Note: I an not saying the it will be us and China and/or over the South China Sea, just throwing that out as a possible type of example.

    I am not sure about nuclear weapons, but if they are used I believe they would first be used by a country that is on the verge of losing as a last ditch desperation attempt.
    It is quite likely to occur in one way or another. That is because multipolar systems are not stable and the structure of international security is developing into one. There is a possible structure global security could take that would prevent war, but time is running short and there seems to have been no movement in that direction since 2005, while multipolarlarity has been gaining ground.

    The kind of war it will be and the likely participants are less predictable. It is not even very likely that it will be the USA or Russia, though it is possible. But their emergency handling capabilities are relatively well developed and tried. It is more likely than one might think that a nuclear exchange could for instance develop out of a technical blip and human error. With six or eight large to very large powers and a dozen middle powers shifting alliances and pacting in changing constellations and near nukclear capability proliferation certain, the probability of regional wars going evil will increase rapidly. Some country will face the risk of an enemy's getting a nuke first.

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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The thing is, before Trump had sat down with the Taiwanese President, China may have let it go without much of an issue. But with shaking up relations with China, if something in NK comes to a head (and it can because god damned in Un a flipping crazy ass megalomaniac), China may be more willing to run a bit of interference. I don't know how far China would go, but their government is aggressive as well. So who knows, but there seems to be a lot more potential now for a much larger outbreak of aggression than before.

    Then again, Infinity War doesn't maintain itself.
    The point about the Taiwan incident screwing up any hope of China being a partner with regards to the North Korea situation is something I've said before. We'll find no help there in the coming years.

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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    If so, how do you think it would start? And maybe what kind?

    I think it's possible. I do think that most countries would be reluctant to engage in a conflict of that size, primarily because they have a lot to lose, but I think it's still possible. I don't think it'd be WW2-like, with countries seeking domination. I think it'd be more WW1-like, where a series of smaller events ends up setting in motion a bunch of falling dominoes and triggers a larger conflict.

    Potential scenario: US and China do a "face down" in the South China Sea. Some incident happens, a ship gets sunk. The other side feels the need to retaliate, and it just snowballs from there, dragging other surrounding countries in who now feel the need to protect their interests. This then invokes self-defense treaties, other countries reacting out of fear and/or self-protection, and so on.

    Note: I an not saying the it will be us and China and/or over the South China Sea, just throwing that out as a possible type of example.

    I am not sure about nuclear weapons, but if they are used I believe they would first be used by a country that is on the verge of losing as a last ditch desperation attempt.
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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The point about the Taiwan incident screwing up any hope of China being a partner with regards to the North Korea situation is something I've said before. We'll find no help there in the coming years.
    It's not to say that I trusted China to be some source of calm, logical reason on the matter. They've always been rather aggressive, particularly as it related to Taiwan and Tibet. They had traditionally ran interference on NK too, but as they emerged as a global market with lots to lose by conflicts with the West, they were likely more willing to "let it go" now. But they are certainly in "stir **** up" mode, particularly with those artificial islands and stuff, trying to expand their boarders and ignore international rulings on the international/disputed waters.

    Trump's complete lack of diplomacy just isn't going to help the situation. And since China is already on the edge with a lot, it can be tipped over right easy. It is definitely a concern.
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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not to say that I trusted China to be some source of calm, logical reason on the matter. They've always been rather aggressive, particularly as it related to Taiwan and Tibet. They had traditionally ran interference on NK too, but as they emerged as a global market with lots to lose by conflicts with the West, they were likely more willing to "let it go" now. But they are certainly in "stir **** up" mode, particularly with those artificial islands and stuff, trying to expand their boarders and ignore international rulings on the international/disputed waters.

    Trump's complete lack of diplomacy just isn't going to help the situation. And since China is already on the edge with a lot, it can be tipped over right easy. It is definitely a concern.
    To be clear, like Russia, China is absolutely an international competitor. Which is exactly why it takes so little to turn them against us even more emphatically when we need help on something we would normally find at least a little common ground on, such as their lunatic nuclear-weapon-wielding neighbor.

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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    If so, how do you think it would start? And maybe what kind?

    I think it's possible. I do think that most countries would be reluctant to engage in a conflict of that size, primarily because they have a lot to lose, but I think it's still possible. I don't think it'd be WW2-like, with countries seeking domination. I think it'd be more WW1-like, where a series of smaller events ends up setting in motion a bunch of falling dominoes and triggers a larger conflict.

    Potential scenario: US and China do a "face down" in the South China Sea. Some incident happens, a ship gets sunk. The other side feels the need to retaliate, and it just snowballs from there, dragging other surrounding countries in who now feel the need to protect their interests. This then invokes self-defense treaties, other countries reacting out of fear and/or self-protection, and so on.

    Note: I an not saying the it will be us and China and/or over the South China Sea, just throwing that out as a possible type of example.

    I am not sure about nuclear weapons, but if they are used I believe they would first be used by a country that is on the verge of losing as a last ditch desperation attempt.
    You forgot one answer: We already have one going on now. It has already started. Just because the boundaries are fuzzy doesn't mean it's not going on. Maybe you would feel better if we called it a religious war instead of a world war but it is going on all over the world right now so I say that makes it a world war.

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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    The history of humanity is one of violent conflict. We don't seem to have improved on that front.

    Meanwhile, our destructive capability and country-to-country relationships have increased.




    It seems inevitable that there will be future wars and that some of them will involve enough countries and landmass to qualify as a "World War." The more important question is: will one of those countries, particularly a desperate foe, press the Big Red Button.

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    Re: Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Can you envision another world war ever occurring?

    If so, how do you think it would start? And maybe what kind?

    I think it's possible. I do think that most countries would be reluctant to engage in a conflict of that size, primarily because they have a lot to lose, but I think it's still possible. I don't think it'd be WW2-like, with countries seeking domination. I think it'd be more WW1-like, where a series of smaller events ends up setting in motion a bunch of falling dominoes and triggers a larger conflict.

    Potential scenario: US and China do a "face down" in the South China Sea. Some incident happens, a ship gets sunk. The other side feels the need to retaliate, and it just snowballs from there, dragging other surrounding countries in who now feel the need to protect their interests. This then invokes self-defense treaties, other countries reacting out of fear and/or self-protection, and so on.

    Note: I an not saying the it will be us and China and/or over the South China Sea, just throwing that out as a possible type of example.

    I am not sure about nuclear weapons, but if they are used I believe they would first be used by a country that is on the verge of losing as a last ditch desperation attempt.
    World war will always be a potential threat. However I think it is unlikely. I think that a catastrophic flooding that diminishes resources may some day be one of the last dominoes leading to a world war. I am forever the optimist, so I presume altruism will overcome during such a time a catastrophe like that might exist.

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