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Who is the biggest threat to the US: ISIS or Russia?

Of the two, who is the biggest threat to the US: ISIS or Russia?

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sanman said:
I'll respond to the rest of it, but first things first:



You don't have to be - I'm not the one obsessed with Ukraine - I'm saying that for those of you who are, don't try to shanghai the rest of us and drag us along with you. You don't have to want to go out and vaccinate Afghanistan or fight for Ukraine - but if you do, don't assume you can drag me out there with you, just because you've got a bee in your bonnet.

I've had this same type of argument over and over again countless times with people like you and Tigerace.
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MadLib/Tigerace: We've gotta stop what's going on there! We've gotta do something!
Me: Not interested. I don't want to.
MadLib/Tigerace: But we've gotta do something! We've gotta go!
Me: You go if you want to, but I'm not interested.
MadLib/Tigerace: Oh? Are you saying you want us to go instead of you?
Me: I'm saying you can go where you want to, just don't drag me along with you.
MadLib/Tigerace: Ohh, so that's how it is then? You want to kick us out and make us go?
Me: Umm, no, I just said that where you want to go is your own personal business, but I don't want to go. I don't believe in that cause.
MadLib/Tigerace: Hey, did everyone hear that? Sanman wants to kick us out of the country, and make us go!
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Are you and Tigerace ****ing mentalcases, or something?
Are you some kind of Abbott & Costello act? "Who's On First"?
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Lol no dude, you constructed this entire argument in your head and are pinning it on me for some reason. I'm not saying you want to kick me out of the country, I'm saying that politics is about the world we want to live in, not about what we personally want to do with our lives. "If you want it done do it yourself" is a childish non-argument and is only ever applied to **** you already disagree with.

Are you always this bothered when someone has a different opinion than you, or is that just for this particular topic?

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ocean515 said:
Your old enough to know better.

Russia is not going to nuke anything.
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 Nor is China. The fear of Trump is nothing but an expression of successful brainwashing.

ISIL will be interested in torturing and dismembering your family while you watch, before completing their mission on you. Then they will turn to your neighbor.

So, what is the rational answer?
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Russia may not use nukes,but they could.

ISIS on the other hand doesn't have any nukes.
 
ISIS, especially in its currently diminished form, doesn't have nearly the potential for hampering or challenging US interests that Russia does; it's not even close.
 
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shrubnose said:
Russia may not use nukes,but they could.

ISIS on the other hand doesn't have any nukes.
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:roll:

Pakistan could use nukes too. It's ridiculous to think any member of the nuke family would use them.

On the other hand, should ISIL ever get their hands on one, do you think they would be more prone to use one than Russia?
 
JoeyJoystick said:
Russia.

Russia is the greater threat. ISIS is merely a pain in the ass. Small and local insurgencies.
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ISIS, simply because they have the ability to kill Americans and are also willing to kill Americans. Though Putin has the ability to kill far more Americans, he is currently not willing to do so. Of course, that could easily change if Putin gets desperate.

The bad news is that there are assessments that forecast the internal Russian socio economic situation deteriorating further. This could well create a desperate Putin who is able and willing to kill Americans.
 
Cryptic said:
ISIS, simply because they have the ability to kill Americans and are also willing to kill Americans. Though Putin has the ability to kill far more Americans, he is currently not willing to do so. Of course, that could easily change if Putin gets desperate.

The bad news is that there are assessments that forecast the internal Russian socio economic situation deteriorating further. This could well create a desperate Putin who is able and willing to kill Americans.
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Well then, with this reasoning Americans are the biggest threat to Americans I guess because there is 12,000+ murders in the US every year and those are done by Americans mostly... Easy to solve, but discussing a restriction on firearms is not on the list, not has it been and it probably wont be for the foreseeable future either.

On a different note though, a deteriorating Russian socio economic situation can also work positively. It may help to get rid of Putin quicker. And that could be a good thing for the Russians, depending on whom they will get back in place for him.


Joey
 
Putin wins this round and what a sad outcome.
 
JoeyJoystick said:
On a different note though, a deteriorating Russian socio economic situation can also work positively. It may help to get rid of Putin quicker. And that could be a good thing for the Russians, depending on whom they will get back in place for him.
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Though a deteriorating socio economic situation may get rid of Putin quicker, he is not going to leave easily. Putin clearly enjoys being Russia's "President for Life" and has big plans about re-building the former Soviet or former Tsarist empire (he seems to envision a future empire combining characteristics of both).

Putin has already demonstrated a willingness to fight for his goals of a new empire (east Ukraine) and has sponsored armed Cossack / "Cossack" groups and other paramilitary movements. My guess is that in the event of an ouster, Putin surrounds himself with loyal troops, then orders his private paramilitary groups to attack opposition marchers etc. If they get carried away, Putin blames the violence on mysterious "western agitators". Things then go from bad to worse.... .
 
Cryptic said:
Though a deteriorating socio economic situation may get rid of Putin quicker, he is not going to leave easily. Putin clearly enjoys being Russia's "President for Life" and has big plans about re-building the former Soviet or former Tsarist empire (he seems to envision a future empire combining characteristics of both).

Putin has already demonstrated a willingness to fight for his goals of a new empire (east Ukraine) and has sponsored armed Cossack / "Cossack" groups and other paramilitary movements. My guess is that in the event of an ouster, Putin surrounds himself with loyal troops, then orders his private paramilitary groups to attack opposition marchers etc. If they get carried away, Putin blames the violence on mysterious "western agitators". Things then go from bad to worse.... .
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How I hope you're wrong, but there is an awful lot of truth in what you say. He clearly showed that when he stepped down the first time and placed Medvedev in his place. Temporarily. And that was already clearly orchestrated. From then onwards things went downhill rapidly.


Joey
 
JoeyJoystick said:
How I hope you're wrong, but there is an awful lot of truth in what you say. He clearly showed that when he stepped down the first time and placed Medvedev in his place. Temporarily. And that was already clearly orchestrated. From then onwards things went downhill rapidly.
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Its got to be frustrating trying to build an empire when one has neither the economic leverage nor the true military strength to do so. Though Putin can keep mid size wars like east Ukraine going forever he lacks the military strength to overwhelm and then control all of Ukraine. It is the same for Belarus and Kazakstan (Putin has directly hinted that he wants both to rejoin what he calls a "federal state").

But, Putin is not going to stop dreaming of empire. To keep dreaming as President of Russia, Putin needs to stay in power. This involves rewarding supporters via economic corruption. Russia is then stuck with a corrupt economic system, mounting war debts, economic sanctions and.... no empire. On the contrary, Moscow's day to day control of the Caucuses Tatarastan etc. could well be slipping.

My guess is that sooner or later, all of these factors are going to boil over in a bad way. Ironically, Putin's war in east Ukraine could fuel the boil over in more ways than one. I bet a lot of military weapons sent to east Ukraine have been lost, sold, loaned out etc. and have found their way back to Russia in a variety private hands. Thus, in the event of boil over, some people regardless of their views, wont be reaching for rocks.
 
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