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Can a Trump supporter to not be a *-ist or *-phobe?

Can a Trump supporter to not be a *-ist or *-phobe?

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RickJames3000 said:
Renew my subscription? Ha! I wish I had the extra money to pay for real journalism... but with Trump's ascendancy to the throne, I have to prepare for the inevitable recession.

Unfortunately, just like you, I'm stuck with "news" from sources like Breitbart and Infowars.
Sigh.
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Obama created a recession? Damn. I would stay away from Breitbart and Infowars. I never read them.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That was my point. If the EO serves to make or change federal law then it violates the constitution as an executive power. Getting all of that toothpaste back into the tube is unlikely, yet one can hope for a return to honest adherence to constitutional separation of powers.
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You will get no argument from me on that.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Maybe I have missed understood the question?
What does the question mean to you?
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Simply whether or not you believe that one can be a trump supporter and not be any of the ist's listed, and since the correct answer is yes then it should make at least some pause and re-evaluate what we think when we address each other. You know, just because I know someone is a trump supporter does not mean that they are what so many have been portrayed them as being, and as such they can be treated with respect and as fellow citizens that care about the Nation as much as I do. Clear enough, seemed clear as day to me?
 
I think the title of "racist" has been so overused and diluted that it hardly has any steadfast meaning anymore.

I always understood racism to be the act of denying rights, goods, services, to particular individuals based on their race.

But these days, any mention of any negative trait, behavior or anti-social tendency that applies to any particular race will get one labeled "racist," in a heartbeat, (whether or not they have acted in any way to curtail the rights, goods, services, etc., to said race.)

In other words, technically, one is free to feel how they want to feel regarding any particular race but as long as they do not act upon those feelings and discriminate in the afore-mentioned manners, they should not qualify as racist. Technically.

Political correctness has run-a-muk. We are not allowed to voice our observations and resulting opinions in regards to race in any negative light without being branded "racist," regardless how truthful they may be. At least, that's true for white people. The African-American can call us white folks cracker all day long or scream at us at the intersection, asking what the hell are we doing in their neighborhood, and that's just peachy. Free speech can be one-sided these days.

But I'll not harp on it. Don't want ya'll to think I'm "racist." ;)
 
Just found out that my brother and his wife voted for Trump. Rather surprising since my brother spent most of his life in Moslem countries and converted to Islam in 1972 in Herat, Afghanistan. His wife is a Nigerian born Moslem. Brother hated Bush, presumably because of his wars in Moslem countries so perhaps that is why-Hillary and Obama currently have us in 6 or so wars in Moslem countries.
People who think Trump supporters are racists or anti-Moslem or misogynists need to get a life.
 
I have a lot of friends who went Trump. I never heard any words from them containing anything offensive or racist.

Well, maybe one guy....he's a black Virginia Beach cop that I fish and golf with. He's been calling me "cracka" for so long that I think he's forgotten my real first name. He voted trump.
 
radcen said:
Can a Trump supporter not be a *-ist or *-phobe?

An honest Trump supporter, not a "never-Hillary" person.
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The poll is too binary for me to answer.

A bigger question, however, is what exactly triggers someone so easily by being called a racist, or a sexist, or a deplorable. If someone were to call me any of those in a nonthreatening manner, I'd listen to them and try to understand why. Maybe they see one of my blind spots, and I can either choose to be triggered by their calling it out (yes, for all intents and purposes, it's a choice), or I can choose to listen.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I have a lot of friends who went Trump. I never heard any words from them containing anything offensive or racist.

Well, maybe one guy....he's a black Virginia Beach cop that I fish and golf with. He's been calling me "cracka" for so long that I think he's forgotten my real first name. He voted trump.
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Have you seen the video of the two blacks beating up a white man, and other videos of democratic violence against people voting for Trump. Most of the videos have been removed but you will get the drift....enter 'man attacked for voting for trump'
 
antiquity said:
Have you seen the video of the two blacks beating up a white man, and other videos of democratic violence against people voting for Trump. Most of the videos have been removed but you will get the drift....enter 'man attacked for voting for trump'
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I saw them.

I isolate them into the "ignorance category" in my mind.

There is so much hate out there right now that all the baiters are making millions by hyping it.
 
Captain America said:
i agree. Not every Trump supporter is racist. They are just people that won't let racism be a deal breaker and decided to support Trump anyways.
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I think we would be having a different discussion about Trump 8+ years ago. Sadly I think many have just become numb to all the labels, racist in particular. The last 8 years any criticism of Obama was immediately met with simply calling people racist rather than actually debate the actual politics. Add in the media leaving out key parts of speeches to make his comments seem far worse than they actually were, pretty much had people with a distrust in the media's perception of him leaving them to simply disregard the character issues and simply focus on the issues.
 
TheGoverness said:
Yes. There are plenty of Trump supporters that aren't racists, or misogynists, homophobes, xenophobes, islamophobes, etc., etc.

Making a blanket generalization about an entire group of people (Ex: All Trump supporters are racist) is stupid and wrong.
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I know some people who voted for Trump, and I wouldn't call them racist. Some of them even say that they kind of think Trump is a bigot. Personally speaking though, I can't really come up with any good excuse to give them for voting Trump.

A few of them have even told me that they have concerns with Trump because of his inexperience and tendency to fly off the handle. They rationalize he will surrounded by people who will control him, and if he gets that bad, he will be impeached.

Given the facts, I really can't make a good excuse for anybody I know who voted from Trump.
 
radcen said:
Can a Trump supporter not be a *-ist or *-phobe?

An honest Trump supporter, not a "never-Hillary" person.
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Your question is phrased funny

But the basic question I think is whether all Trump supporters are racists and or homophobes?

And the answer is a resounding no

Stupid question in my opinion

Just as I wouldn't ask or question whether every leftist hates guns....not all do
 
SheWolf said:
I know some people who voted for Trump, and I wouldn't call them racist. Some of them even say that they kind of think Trump is a bigot. Personally speaking though, I can't really come up with any good excuse to give them for voting Trump.

A few of them have even told me that they have concerns with Trump because of his inexperience and tendency to fly off the handle. They rationalize he will surrounded by people who will control him, and if he gets that bad, he will be impeached.

Given the facts, I really can't make a good excuse for anybody I know who voted from Trump.
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Same here. Talked to my neighbor a few days ago and he brought up Trump. Said that's who he voted for. I asked him why and his exact reply was...I sorta wish I hadn't. Didn't say a thing. I left it at that.
 
Sure thing, as he can be just an aggrieved ignoramus.
 
radcen said:
Can a Trump supporter not be a *-ist or *-phobe?

An honest Trump supporter, not a "never-Hillary" person.
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I'm fairly certain, that the sweeping majority of Trump supporters don't fall into either of those things.
If anything, it's the power of branding by his opposition that get people to believe that they are.

People will believe anything, given mild and circumstantial evidence.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I'm fairly certain, that the sweeping majority of Trump supporters don't fall into either of those things.
If anything, it's the power of branding by his opposition that get people to believe that they are.

People will believe anything, given mild and circumstantial evidence.
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Very well said. Branding or brainwashed. Brainwashed for this election.
 
radcen said:
Can a Trump supporter not be a *-ist or *-phobe?

An honest Trump supporter, not a "never-Hillary" person.
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I see three probable explanations:

- ignorance: they don't know what Trump has said (i think this is actually the most common)
- acceptance: they are willing to tolerate a *-ist or a *-phobe as a leader
- compliance: they agree with what Trump said, but they might make up some pathetic excuse to claim that *-ists and *-isms don't exist anymore.
 
radcen said:
Can a Trump supporter not be a *-ist or *-phobe?

An honest Trump supporter, not a "never-Hillary" person.
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Of course.

That said, every informed Trump supporter made a tacit decision that bigotry is not high on their list of "no-no's" for their criteria of president.
 
I watched this Charlie Rose interview with Bernie Sanders the other day and when I logged in to DP this morning and got a "like" for a comment I made in this discussion I recalled the interview and thought I'd post it here:

Charlie Rose - Bernie Sanders Interview - Monday 11/14/2016

Jump forward in the interview to about the 5:00 or 6:00 mark where the discussion of Trump begins.

In a nutshell, Sander's argument is that Trump supporters, by and large, aren't racist, or sexist, or bigoted but rather they are "hurting".

Millions of middle class and lower middle class white folks all over America are hurting financially and the Democrat Party isn't speaking to them.

The Democrat Party, which used to be the party of the working class, both black and white, has become the party of progressive gender, racial, disability, and sexual orientation politics.

Hillary Clinton spent all of her time campaigning in San Francisco talking about LGBTQ issues, or in Los Angeles talking about path to citizenship issues, or at $10,000 a plate fundraisers speaking to Goldman Sachs partners.

While Trump was in rural Wisconsin, and Ohio, and North Carolina talking to lower middle class people who are being left behind by the free-trade-bolstered offshoring of once good middle class manufacturing jobs and the nascent "technology economy", who can't afford the low premium/high deductible healthcare plans that Obamacare is forcing them in to, and who are afraid that the service jobs that are available to them are being taken by the tidal wave of illegal immigration in to this country.

And I totally agree with Sanders here.

Nobody, or at least very, very few people vote in a presidential election because they hate "you" (whether you're Black, Mexican, Muslim, or Gay).

They may not "like" your lifestyle, your sexuality, or your religion, but they don't "hate" you enough that they're going to be swayed in a major election to vote against their best interests in order to get one over on you.

Folks vote because they are by nature selfish and self-interested and will swing for the candidate who is going to promise to make their lives better.

Trump promised, more loudly and more frequently, and in more places where these folks live, to make their lives better.

That was Clinton's mistake.

She put identity politics ahead of the needs of many tens of millions of hard-working, God-fearing, blue collar Americans and she paid for it.
 
soot said:
I watched this Charlie Rose interview with Bernie Sanders the other day and when I logged in to DP this morning and got a "like" for a comment I made in this discussion I recalled the interview and thought I'd post it here:

Charlie Rose - Bernie Sanders Interview - Monday 11/14/2016

Jump forward in the interview to about the 5:00 or 6:00 mark where the discussion of Trump begins.

In a nutshell, Sander's argument is that Trump supporters, by and large, aren't racist, or sexist, or bigoted but rather they are "hurting".

Millions of middle class and lower middle class white folks all over America are hurting financially and the Democrat Party isn't speaking to them.

The Democrat Party, which used to be the party of the working class, both black and white, has become the party of progressive gender, racial, disability, and sexual orientation politics.

Hillary Clinton spent all of her time campaigning in San Francisco talking about LGBTQ issues, or in Los Angeles talking about path to citizenship issues, or at $10,000 a plate fundraisers speaking to Goldman Sachs partners.

While Trump was in rural Wisconsin, and Ohio, and North Carolina talking to lower middle class people who are being left behind by the free-trade-bolstered offshoring of once good middle class manufacturing jobs and the nascent "technology economy", who can't afford the low premium/high deductible healthcare plans that Obamacare is forcing them in to, and who are afraid that the service jobs that are available to them are being taken by the tidal wave of illegal immigration in to this country.

And I totally agree with Sanders here.

Nobody, or at least very, very few people vote in a presidential election because they hate "you" (whether you're Black, Mexican, Muslim, or Gay).

They may not "like" your lifestyle, your sexuality, or your religion, but they don't "hate" you enough that they're going to be swayed in a major election to vote against their best interests in order to get one over on you.

Folks vote because they are by nature selfish and self-interested and will swing for the candidate who is going to promise to make their lives better.

Trump promised, more loudly and more frequently, and in more places where these folks live, to make their lives better.

That was Clinton's mistake.

She put identity politics ahead of the needs of many tens of millions of hard-working, God-fearing, blue collar Americans and she paid for it.
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Y'know (this is a bit of a side note) I really think Bernie and Trump could actually work together in the future. They've both presented themselves as anti-estabishment candidates throughout the 2016 campaign, so if they can create a movement and combine their bases for the overall good of the country, and do something about money in politics and overall corruption, I think that could could be amazing.
 
The visceral reaction to Trump supporters is not based in assuming an auto-bigot status but only turning a blind eye to the active bigotry against many groups. A non political example would be a business owner who only hires members of X group because it is believed doing so will maximize number of customers. The business owner is not a bigot himself or herself, but simply ignores the plights of inequality and actively contributes to the system through apathy engendered by selfish goals rather than community considerations.

We are experiencing Hawthorne's America. In the "Scarlett Letter" there is a well known quote about people being unable to wear two different faces, one to the public and one in private, for any lengthy period without forgetting which one is real. A lot of anger directed towards Trump has nothing to do with policies or political parties, but only the suspension of the illusion regarding our "Greatness." With Clinton we could have continued on the mode of "We have problems as a nation, though nothing dire or immediate" but Trump reveals we have very serious issues which makes it hard to justify the continued orgy of entertainment. With her we could have rolled on spending the majority of free time in our little bubbles and professional entertainers could have continued dropping a tear now and then without putting any serious effort on problem solving and still be sold as "caring" individuals.

A Trump Oval razes the illusions and that is much more difficult than maintaining self serving views.
 
TheGoverness said:
Y'know (this is a bit of a side note) I really think Bernie and Trump could actually work together in the future. They've both presented themselves as anti-estabishment candidates throughout the 2016 campaign, so if they can create a movement and combine their bases for the overall good of the country, and do something about money in politics and overall corruption, I think that could could be amazing.
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They could never work together because Trump is all consumed by what he can do for himself and Sanders is the opposite. That is why Trump and Clinton have far more in common than Clinton and Sanders. A quick example is Trump lied and claimed he was always against Iraq but an audio recording proves he supported it before the invasion. Sanders gave a speech explaining why he was against it in 2002 and it is widely available.
 
Kreton said:
I mildly agree with this, but if a person is willing to vote for an open racist/sexist to make policies for this country then they are as well. Enablers are part of the problem too.
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What open racist/sexist things has Trump said or done?
 
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