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Will Donald Trump be "your President"?

Will Donald Trump be "your President"?

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Removable Mind said:
I clearly do how the Constitutional Amendments work. You clearly don't understand my sarcasm. The clue should have been in the names I posted for Trump and Pence ("Führer Putin Von Trump" and "Jesus C. Pence").

In other words, my post was an expression of my discontent over the election debacle...
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I'm just saying there's no way anyone can possibly pass a Constitutional Amendment, no matter how much they wish it might happen. It's likely there will never be another Constitutional Amendment in the history of this country. So talking about it like it might happen is a bit ridiculous.
 
Cephus said:
I'm just saying there's no way anyone can possibly pass a Constitutional Amendment, no matter how much they wish it might happen. It's likely there will never be another Constitutional Amendment in the history of this country. So talking about it like it might happen is a bit ridiculous.
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And I'm just saying that you missed the sarcasm.

By the way, an Amendment impacting the term limit of a President has already happened...

AMENDMENT XXIL

The Twenty-second Amendment (Amendment XXII) of the United States Constitution sets a term limit for election and overall time of service to the office of President of the United States. Congress passed the amendment on March 21, 1947. It was ratified by the requisite 36 of the then-48 states on February 27, 1951.

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
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And don't forget the Amendments regarding Prohibition. They tell us a huge story - if one reads and comprehends what is and isn't possible regarding Amendment changes to Constitution.

So your claim that such an Amendment is impossible or couldn't happen...well, you need to reconsider your claim.
 
Removable Mind said:
And I'm just saying that you missed the sarcasm.

By the way, an Amendment impacting the term limit of a President has already happened...
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Not in recent history it hasn't. We've become far more politically and ideologically deadlocked since then. Every single attempt at a constitutional amendment in recent history has failed, miserably.
 
Cephus said:
Not in recent history it hasn't. We've become far more politically and ideologically deadlocked since then. Every single attempt at a constitutional amendment in recent history has failed, miserably.
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So what? Failures don't mean impossible, which that's basically your previous claim made to me in your first reply. And not to mention that I don't know how constitutional amendments work, when I illustrated to you that I clearly do.

Never say never. Especially after November the 8th. The manipulation of Americans has apparently becomes easier and easier and easier. So easy in fact, that a whole population of Americans foolishly believe that they've won a battle against the establishment. What they fail to realize is that Trump is now "THE" establishment, not our 3 branch of government system...if we want to call it that. And speaking of 3 branches, the S.C. is now its own legislative body, which sort of bends to the will of one political philosophy or another. So the 3 branch idea is out the window.

The Establishment of Trump will hold no favor "to the ones who brung him to the dance", as the saying goes. He only favors one person and that person's interests...and that's himself.
 
Removable Mind said:
So what? Failures don't mean impossible, which that's basically your previous claim made to me in your first reply. And not to mention that I don't know how constitutional amendments work, when I illustrated to you that I clearly do.

Never say never. Especially after November the 8th. The manipulation of Americans has apparently becomes easier and easier and easier. So easy in fact, that a whole population of Americans foolishly believe that they've won a battle against the establishment. What they fail to realize is that Trump is now "THE" establishment, not our 3 branch of government system...if we want to call it that. And speaking of 3 branches, the S.C. is now its own legislative body, which sort of bends to the will of one political philosophy or another. So the 3 branch idea is out the window.

The Establishment of Trump will hold no favor "to the ones who brung him to the dance", as the saying goes. He only favors one person and that person's interests...and that's himself.
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You're welcome to think it's possible, and in the realm of extreme possibilities, I suppose it is, but likely? Certainly not. Because the system for amending the Constitution requires that both sides work together and I don't know about you, but I don't see that happening in the modern world.

And I think it's funny how you pretend that Trump didn't win legitimately, that somehow the American public was manipulated into voting for him. That's cute.
 
radcen said:
Will Donald Trump be "your President"?

After the inauguration, of course.

It's a simple yes/no question. There is no "other" or in between. The question is about concept, or beliefs regarding how we view and value our process and political system. Even though Trump is the current example at hand, it is not about him specifically, nor is it about Obama, Bush II, etc.
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Yes. As would Hillary have been my President had she won the election. I would have given her proper respect for her office and would have been furious with any who would have gone to the streets to burn, loot, pillage, destroy, vandalize, commit assault and battery, disrupt, threaten, and terrorize in protest that she was President. Such are not even deserving to be Americans and in my opinion all who love this country and are deserving to be American citizens should denounce that kind of hate.

I can think of so very little to commend Hillary and I fully expected to despise her agenda and policies. . .BUT. . .I would have given her the requisite grace period to prove me wrong. I strongly opposed Obama and gave him the same opportunity to prove me wrong.

I did vote for Trump, not because I wanted Trump to be President, but he was the only choice offered me that I believed possibly could and would accomplish something positive in the job.

I so wish all my fellow Americans would give him the same courtesy and opportunity to prove them wrong as I would have done for their preferred candidate.
 
Cephus said:
You're welcome to think it's possible, and in the realm of extreme possibilities, I suppose it is, but likely? Certainly not. Because the system for amending the Constitution requires that both sides work together and I don't know about you, but I don't see that happening in the modern world.

And I think it's funny how you pretend that Trump didn't win legitimately, that somehow the American public was manipulated into voting for him. That's cute.
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Trump won. Indeed he did. I haven't pretended or in anyway alluded otherwise. People who have serious problems with discerning the difference between facts, fictions or opinion, along with those who have misplaced sense of entitlement made it possible for the new ruler to take office. Now, they'll get to see their votes in action...and the consequences...along with a lot of them being the collateral damage of his being elected. Oh, and I'm far from an Clinton lover...far, far, far from it. She's was a horrible, dispicable nominee. So no need to pitch that bone back in my direction.
 
Yes. We have to be better and act more mature than the Republicans have. Where they go low.....we go high.
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump won. Indeed he did. I haven't pretended or in anyway alluded otherwise. People who have serious problems with discerning the difference between facts, fictions or opinion, along with those who have misplaced sense of entitlement made it possible for the new ruler to take office. Now, they'll get to see their votes in action...and the consequences...along with a lot of them being the collateral damage of his being elected. Oh, and I'm far from an Clinton lover...far, far, far from it. She's was a horrible, dispicable nominee. So no need to pitch that bone back in my direction.
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Just like they'd get to see if Clinton had won. She was horrible, Trump was horrible, Gary Johnson was horrible, Jill Stein was horrible, there wasn't a single person worth voting for in this election, I've said that time and time again. But it doesn't matter, these are the idiots we had a choice of, one of them was going to win and Trump did it. So why are people still whining about it?
 
disneydude said:
Yes. We have to be better and act more mature than the Republicans have. Where they go low.....we go high.
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You picked Clinton. You'd have to have been high to do that. :roll:
 
Cephus said:
Just like they'd get to see if Clinton had won. She was horrible, Trump was horrible, Gary Johnson was horrible, Jill Stein was horrible, there wasn't a single person worth voting for in this election, I've said that time and time again. But it doesn't matter, these are the idiots we had a choice of, one of them was going to win and Trump did it. So why are people still whining about it?
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What should all of these horrible choices be evident of? Doesn't this reflect some type of failure of the electorate, in general, whether their failure be classified as intellectual, moral, or falling prey to propaganda disseminated over a period time?

They whine because they are so ****ing myopic about what American politics have become. That, in my opinion, isn't accidental. Americans think that our government won't discriminate against its own citizens like the worst known governments around the world. They are wrong. Our government has incredible power over our everyday lives. Our individual liberties have been systematically dwindling away because over time generations of governments have learned how to empower themselves via the powers granted to them. And this isn't because of one faction or another. Political factions, under any label, want the power to decide on what our liberties will and won't be.
 
Removable Mind said:
What should all of these horrible choices be evident of? Doesn't this reflect some type of failure of the electorate, in general, whether their failure be classified as intellectual, moral, or falling prey to propaganda disseminated over a period time?

They whine because they are so ****ing myopic about what American politics have become. That, in my opinion, isn't accidental. Americans think that our government won't discriminate against its own citizens like the worst known governments around the world. They are wrong. Our government has incredible power over our everyday lives. Our individual liberties have been systematically dwindling away because over time generations of governments have learned how to empower themselves via the powers granted to them. And this isn't because of one faction or another. Political factions, under any label, want the power to decide on what our liberties will and won't be.
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The electorate doesn't nominate the candidates, the parties do. If anything, it is a sign that the parties, all of them, are completely out of step with the American people, which is why Sanders did so well this year and Trump, also an outsider, actually won the election. The people are pissed, and I think rightfully so, at Washington politics-as-usual. Of course, we all know that the parties don't care about the people, they only care about power, but that's something else entirely.

But you have people whining, not because of the awful candidates, but because their awful candidate didn't win. This isn't about the terrible nature of American politics today, this is whining about the ideological divide that is ruining this country. You have liberals out there bitching because the liberal-appointed candidate didn't win. They aren't complaining that the Democrats gave us a lump of crap to go up against the Republican lump of crap. That's a problem, don't you think?
 
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