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Your Debate Politics Ballot - 2016 - POTUS

My vote is for...

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 48 47.5%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 31 30.7%
  • Gary Johnson

    Votes: 16 15.8%
  • Jill Stein

    Votes: 6 5.9%

  • Total voters
    101
No comments are necessary but are they welcomed to keep thread from getting buried.

Just pull the curtain and vote.

Your vote will be private, as it should be.

If you want you can participate in the "exit poll" and tell us how you cast your vote.

But don't feel obligated.

You forgot McMullen and 'other' 'writein' 'none of the above'. I will not be voting for President as I dont support the federal govt.
 
Amazing we have 12 members on this forum (as of 10:27 pm 11/2) willing to vote for such a morally corrupt, bankrupt, soulless and heartless individual like Hillary Clinton. It really reflects on the voters character to vote for such a person.

Hillary would do wonders for my business. In fact I would likely profit from a Hillary presidency due to the high taxes caused by her reign but country is first. Trump's vision is far more visionary than Hillary's.

Not amazing. Have you seen this forum?
 
I'm voting for Gary Johnson next week. The only other thing I may do is write in Kasich or Rubio.

I wrote in mcmullin, I think Gary Johnson is a great example of what pot can do to a brain
 
What libs fail to recognize (or just refuse) is, when taxes are raised "only at the top of the income scale", everybody pays. Do you think businesses are simply going to absorb that cost? Why, why do you think that?

CC, I don't know why we need to believe that conservatives are traditionally smarter about how our tax system works any more than liberals. It's so complex that I find most people (regardless of their political philosophy) don't know very much about our tax system or how government (both sides of the isle) decides that it's going to tax us more because the standard of living in the Kingdom of Washington has fallen below what they're accustom to.

Hell, finding people who work for the IRS who can agree on tax questions is tough.

Not all "people" at the the top, as it's called, pay taxes in the same manner as do businesses. And especially not in the same manner as the middle and working classes. A lot of people who have substantial wealth don't own businesses. They might be CEOs, etc, who are paid a lot. They might be billionaire hedge fund managers. But most people at the top don't earn a lot of their money from what's considered to be ordinary income. They lower their tax liabilities by via capital gains options and other tax reducing devices. And capital gains taxes aren't at all the same maximum tax rate the tax tables show for ordinary income. It's uncommon for top earning people to somehow fail to redistribute or convert their ordinary income into lesser taxed monies. And people with money really do have substantial tax advantages over people who don't.

Speaking of businesses. I constantly hear about the so-called high 35 plus percent tax rate on companies. Highest in the world. But our successful companies rarely, if ever, pay anywhere close to that amount. There is no "High Tax Rates", which are somehow mandatory because of gross earnings of a company. Companies, like say GE, don't pay taxes in the end because of a thing called "write offs and loopholes" that ordinary people (and even small businesses) aren't privy to.

So taxing the rich doesn't automatically impact corporations. It's not a trickle down situation. Holding on to assets or principal sums (wealth) that are, in and of themselves income producing, is the name of the game for wealthy people. In other words, more taxes means that how investments are made have to be revisited and perhaps makes some changes. People who have substantial wealth don't do seriously risky things to grow their money or assets. Tax free bonds, although low yield, is a common wealth "sustaining" tactic. These kind of folks are "asset collectors (liquid or otherwise)", more than anything.

Now, I'm not talking about the Warren Buffets, Carlos Slims, or Bill Gates people (of which there are few in the world). They aren't even classified in the same way that most people who are considered to be really wealthy. They are mega-wealthy. They're like in the top one-half-of-one-percent. Their wealth is derived far from ordinary means. These type folks...they don't care about tax systems, period. They actually work in their favor, if anything.

Bottom line is: Aside from changing the entire way our tax system currently exists (which sucks). It's not the tax rates that need to be reformed. It's the tax loopholes. Most people don't even know what a genuine loophole is because they can't implement them - they don't accumulate enough growable money. Ordinary people are taxed in so many ways that they aren't even aware of the all. It's starting to become difficult to even list them. But I can tell you that people at the top often don't pay in all the ways that lower socioeconomic classes do.

Taxing is power for the government, but they exploit people and companies in different ways in order to tax. There's just not a lot that's really fair about our system, at this point. It enslaves most people. We're the governments' bread and butter, and the luxuries of the personal lives of those in high seats , and those who make it to the big show's - the origin of many of them's wealth.
 
An unenthusiastic vote for Jill Stein. Of the four I have the least problems with her. But I still have a lot of problems with her. Johnson has just been a bit too looney for my tastes recently.

Of all of the four top-of-ticket candidates this election, Jill Stein is the engineer, conductor, and bar tender on the looney train. IMHO.
 
I'd say yer nonsensical description of the soon-to-be-president-elect is a clear reflection of yer bizzare political attitudes.

>>my business … would likely profit from a Hillary presidency due to the high taxes caused by her reign

She's proposed raising taxes only at the top of the income scale. Many businesses, many individuals, and the nation as a whole would benefit from that policy.

>>Trump's vision is far more visionary than Hillary's.

In modern parlance, visionary is typically used to describe something imaginative and positive. None of that in Frump. He's a lying fraud, pitching a defence and indeed a revival of abusive and intolerant white male superiority to an audience desperate to have it continue.

Otoh, yer argument does fit well with the way the word was used in years past, to describe something that's impractical, imaginary, without any realistic foundation, even affected by phantoms. The entire Frump candidacy is characterised by those qualities. History is littered with the failed dreams of RW lunatics, and Frumpism is nothing more than another of those.

You can hang it all on the wall that will never be built.

I didn't figure it would take long for the criticism of Donald Trump to be about <insert one of the Democrats' favorite " 'isms " >



Im sick of Democratic "Identity Politics" ...... Anyone who falls for that **** is a dumb ass.
 
I'm voting for Gary Johnson next week. The only other thing I may do is write in Kasich or Rubio.

My wife was going to write in Rubio and I was going to write in Kasich, until I found out that by doing so in NC, it makes my entire ballot a provisional ballot until it can be read and counted manually - so we left the top blank, and voted for every other office.
 
I was going to vote for Kermit the Frog, but then I remembered all the Miss Piggie references he made.
Thats because she put on 90 extra pounds...of pork belly and bacon. And it was glorious.
 
Need an 'Other' category. I wrote in Huntsman.
 
Six votes so far for Gary Johnson? :confused:

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Snoopy for President!

"Some wear the sign of the elephant and some the sing of the mule
But I will wear the sign of the beagle high and love will shine right through "


From the song:


Snoopy For President
The Royal Guardsmen
Lyrics

The time had come to elect a President
And all the famous candidates thought they were heaven-sent
They screamed and raved and pounded their hands above their hearts
But soon the noble promises were hard to tell apart
Waiting at the pumpkin patch, a dog sincere and brave
And everybody hoped that soon the country he would save
The pumpkin said "The day has come for you to take a stand"
"For love has left the people across our native land"

Some wear the sign of the elephant and some wear the sign of the mule
But we'll hold the sign of the beagle high and love will shine right
through


All the politicians, they swore he couldn't win
But Snoopy only shook his head and flashed his famous grin
He jumped into his faithful friend, the Sopwith Camel plane
And…




To hear the You tube song click this link:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QddHVitk7KA
 
No comments are necessary but are they welcomed to keep thread from getting buried.

Just pull the curtain and vote.

Your vote will be private, as it should be.

If you want you can participate in the "exit poll" and tell us how you cast your vote.

But don't feel obligated.
That part of the ballot will be left blank.Although I might write in None of the above to ensure whoever is recounting ballots doesn't check one of the boxes.
 
My wife was going to write in Rubio and I was going to write in Kasich, until I found out that by doing so in NC, it makes my entire ballot a provisional ballot until it can be read and counted manually - so we left the top blank, and voted for every other office.

Interesting, Beau. I appreciate you sharing that because that may also be the case in NH and I want my down ballot votes counted next week.
 
If he was Hillary's opponent, he would have her ass put away by now.
If he was her opponent he would face the same allegations of racism, sexism, and class warfare in some manner.

Im hoping for 2020 a higher standard from all parties. Gary Johnson was a total let down. I hope they put that clown to pasture.
 
If he was her opponent he would face the same allegations of racism, sexism, and class warfare in some manner.

Im hoping for 2020 a higher standard from all parties. Gary Johnson was a total let down. I hope they put that clown to pasture.

He would have faced attack from the left, but that's no different than attacks the right would make on any of the Democrats if they were the nominee. That's what each side does.

It's unrealistic to think that any decent candidate, especially one like Huntsman, would NOT be leading Hillary at this point. The house of cards has been collapsing around her. It's just because Trump didn't catch on that she's still in it.
 
Voted for Hilary and proud of it. Not a vote against Trump but a vote for her. Not only is she the best choice of the four I think she'll do a great job.

Those who think that makes me a moron, corrupt, ignorant, evil etc etc etc can go shove it.
 
Voted for Hilary and proud of it. Not a vote against Trump but a vote for her. Not only is she the best choice of the four I think she'll do a great job.

Those who think that makes me a moron, corrupt, ignorant, evil etc etc etc can go shove it.
Man, thats going to be a a LOT of people 'shoving it'.
 
I wrote in mcmullin, I think Gary Johnson is a great example of what pot can do to a brain

Based on what? Have you researched anything about him other than the few gaff clips in the media? Did you watch the debates he was in?
 
I mean, looking at the poll results, not really.
A DP poll? :lamo

And be honest...how many of those Hillary voters think the same way you do and how many people are grimacing while they eat their **** sandwich hoping their **** sandwich isnt as foul as the other guys **** sandwich? How many people (even Hillary voters) think she is just a slightly better class of turd than Trump?
 
Based on what? Have you researched anything about him other than the few gaff clips in the media? Did you watch the debates he was in?
I was a Johnson supporter...right up until the campaigning started. He is a clown. He is un-serious. He did the same thing in 2016 that he did in 2012 and frankly, I think he has destroyed whatever credibility the Libertarian party stood to gain in this election by being every ****ty negative Libertarian stereotype ever presented.
 
A DP poll? :lamo

And be honest...how many of those Hillary voters think the same way you do and how many people are grimacing while they eat their **** sandwich hoping their **** sandwich isnt as foul as the other guys **** sandwich? How many people (even Hillary voters) think she is just a slightly better class of turd than Trump?

:roll: And the real life ones.

Frankly, if they do think I'm a moron/corrupt/evil, that's their problem, not mine.

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