If Hillary Were To Step Down Before the Election, Who Would You Vote For?

Brewdog said:

But if I refuse to vote for one of the two low-lifes, then at least I won't spend the next four years feeling responsible for their atrocities upon the American people. That guilt can lie with all the people that voted him/her into office.

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Personally, I'd rather be shot, stabbed, hung, buried, dug up, slapped, quartered and drawn before having to vote for one of these mother****ers. However, I'm going to, while leaving claw marks in the process.

I opine that this election is the weirdest, most deplorable, worst selection of nominees in my lifetime. And I'm getting up there.

But, the writing's on the wall. Because of the realities that we have to deal with, this election isn't about living with the guilt. The outcome of this election, will not be good, regardless. It's simply choosing who you think will **** the American people, in a way that's the least destructive, over the next 4 years. I realize that this is no consolation.

We just have to screw the guilt factor in this situation.

Brew, if you refuse to vote for one or the other (because at this point it will be one or the other), I'm suggesting that you'll be surrendering a legitimate reason to bitch and moan and express how you're being ****ed, or how the American people is being ****ed.

I really believe that in this given moment that it might serve one better to join the ranks of all of the rest of us who will vote for one or the other of these yahoos - while feeling like we're being forced to vote against our own interest and will - than to not vote at all - or believe that they can relieve their guilt by voting for Johnson or Stein.

Jill Stein.

Removable Mind said:

Brew, if you refuse to vote for one or the other (because at this point it will be one or the other), I'm suggesting that you'll be surrendering a legitimate reason to bitch and moan and express how you're being ****ed, or how the American people is being ****ed.

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If you had a choice to vote for Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler, which would you choose?

And if a guy refused to vote for either, would you spend four years saying that he was to blame for their mess?

I think Trump and Hillary are both corrupt and will do massive harm to this nation. I refuse to be a part of that.

Cephus said:

Doesn't matter, I've already voted.

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that's why i NEVER vote before voting day. Something might come up that would cause me to change my vote. In this case I doubt it unless the clinton ticket with her goofy pet monkey running mate were to both step down and a pro gun Dem like Webb replaced them

Cephus said:

And Gary Johnson will still lose miserably.

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So what?

Brewdog said:

If you had a choice to vote for Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler, which would you choose?

And if a guy refused to vote for either, would you spend four years saying that he was to blame for their mess?

I think Trump and Hillary are both corrupt and will do massive harm to this nation. I refuse to be a part of that.

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If you don't mind, I'd like the full content and context of my post to you to be shown.

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Personally, I'd rather be shot, stabbed, hung, buried, dug up, slapped, quartered and drawn before having to vote for one of these mother****ers. However, I'm going to, while leaving claw marks in the process.

I opine that this election is the weirdest, most deplorable, worst selection of nominees in my lifetime. And I'm getting up there.

But, the writing's on the wall. Because of the realities that we have to deal with, this election isn't about living with the guilt. The outcome of this election, will not be good, regardless. It's simply choosing who you think will **** the American people, in a way that's the least destructive, over the next 4 years. I realize that this is no consolation.

We just have to screw the guilt factor in this situation.

Brew, if you refuse to vote for one or the other (because at this point it will be one or the other), I'm suggesting that you'll be surrendering a legitimate reason to bitch and moan and express how you're being ****ed, or how the American people is being ****ed.

I really believe that in this given moment that it might serve one better to join the ranks of all of the rest of us who will vote for one or the other of these sorry excuse of a human being - while feeling like we're being forced to vote against our own interest and will - than to not vote at all - or believe that they can relieve their guilt by voting for Johnson or Stein.

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I dig what you're saying. I also believe both are significantly harmful. I've clearly stated numerous times before that they are both corrupt and evil, but just in different ways. I opine that none of us can bury our heads in the sand in this election. This is truly a sad, painful moment for us all (OR SHOULD BE). You still are going to have to live with the corruptness and evilness one or the other will perpetrate on us all, and whether or not you vote for either.

This election isn't an ordinary choice - you know, like where the electorate has been historically known to say, "we have to choose between the lesser of two evils." In retrospect, we, or other generations before us, haven't had to deal with this level of "evil", in my opinion. The closest situation that I can remember in my lifetime is possibly the Goldwater, Johnson election. And thinking back, even these two are pale in comparison.

In this election, there's nothing metaphorical about the term "evil".

It's our duty as "we the people" to painfully select which of these scum bags that we (as individuals) believe will **** the American people less than the other.

And I think that I can safely say that your vote in this general election won't make you responsible for the outcome or the behaviors of either who makes it to the White House. You can't be blamed for anything other than expressing your discontent after the fact - when not participating.

But, as so many who hate having to make a choice next week are saying, "let your conscience be your guide."

TurtleDude said:

that's why i NEVER vote before voting day. Something might come up that would cause me to change my vote. In this case I doubt it unless the clinton ticket with her goofy pet monkey running mate were to both step down and a pro gun Dem like Webb replaced them

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You're correct.

I don't vote early myself, it's impossible to predict what's coming down the pike towards the end.

Cephus said:

Unfortunately, even if Gary Johnson got into office, nothing would change. The American people do not support libertarian ideals. No country on the planet supports libertarian ideals. I'm sure that makes you feel superior, it only makes your side superior losers.

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Actually, if Johnson won, every single one of those things Brewdog mentioned would change because they are also things that don't involve Congress.

Things like taxes would be a different story.

Cephus said:

But at the end of the day, the one the American people support most wins and everyone else loses. Congrats on being a loser.

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You will lose too. Just like noone won with Obama and Bush in office.

Moderate Right said:

If Hillary Were To Step Down Before the Election, Who Would You Vote For?

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It wouldn't change my 3rd party vote, but I am curious why would Clinton step down? I've never heard of a candidate with this large of a lead conceding.

If Hillary were to step - and that it's not at all likely - is Kaine automatically the nominee? No idea what the democratic party rules are in that case.

I'm voting for Gary Johnson regardless. Both Trump and Clinton suck and Johnson, even if he doesn't know what Aleppo is, is preferable to both.

Ikari said:

Why would she step down when she's going to win?

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The liberal Chicago newspaper has already asked her to step down. You know, that's the city where Obama's good friend Rammey is the mayor. We have the FBI thing going on and Wiki Leaks still has that batch of emails that is supposedly good enough to get an indictment on the Hillmeister.

Moderate Right said:

The liberal Chicago newspaper has already asked her to step down. You know, that's the city where Obama's good friend Rammey is the mayor. We have the FBI thing going on and Wiki Leaks still has that batch of emails that is supposedly good enough to get an indictment on the Hillmeister.

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....yeah....she's not going to step down.

Kreton said:

It wouldn't change my 3rd party vote, but I am curious why would Clinton step down? I've never heard of a candidate with this large of a lead conceding.

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First, her "large" lead is questionable. Second, Chicago's liberal newspaper has already asked her to step down. We've got the FBI thing and the upcoming Wiki Leaks thing coming out which supposedly is enough to indict her. I'm not talking about today. I'm talking about in the next few days.

Cephus said:

Unfortunately, even if Gary Johnson got into office, nothing would change. The American people do not support libertarian ideals. No country on the planet supports libertarian ideals. I'm sure that makes you feel superior, it only makes your side superior losers.

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With either Trump or Clinton in the White House, this whole nation will be the loser. It doesn't matter one iota who wins, both will spell doom to this once great country. I figure even if there is a less than a snowballs chance in Hades that Johnson will win, I'm went with him. Let others follow the path to doom and ruin with either Trump or Clinton, I will continue the struggle until I am no more.

Trump and Clinton are two poisonous choices, whether one chooses one or the other, one is just as dead.

Brewdog said:

You win. Your country will continue to accrue massive debts, be involved in foreign wars, spy on every American phone call and email, and torture human beings without any due process in violation of the Constitution. Yep, you're a winner because you voted for a loser. That makes you a Real American Hero.

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The funny thing is that I can't tell if you're directing your post at Clinton or Trump voters.

Moderate Right said:

First, her "large" lead is questionable. Second, Chicago's liberal newspaper has already asked her to step down. We've got the FBI thing and the upcoming Wiki Leaks thing coming out which supposedly is enough to indict her. I'm not talking about today. I'm talking about in the next few days.

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It isn't that questionable today. That could change but its not. Especially when you look past the popular vote and at the EC.

That being said, there is no looming indictment. There is nothing other than partisan head hunting that suggests a real possibility of an indictment. And pointing out a liberal newspaper wanting her to step down is no different than when republicans wanting Trump to step down. You won't see it that way because of your partisan blinders, but the reality is there when you want to see it.

Im pretty sure this is all moot (I mean...even if it were possible that she would step down, which she wouldnt under any circumstance). Her name is on the ballot. A vote for Kaine is a vote for Hillz.

SDET said:

The funny thing is that I can't tell if you're directing your post at Clinton or Trump voters.

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And that means you're interpreting my post correctly.

Kreton said:

It wouldn't change my 3rd party vote, but I am curious why would Clinton step down? I've never heard of a candidate with this large of a lead conceding.

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With her medical condition, maybe she'll forget she's running.

Jack Fabulous said:

I was going to vote for Gary Johnson knowing full well that my vote was wasted and Hillary would win anyway. I could have lived with that. I wouldn't have felt good about seeing Hillary Clinton as President but at least I could have said that I didn't vote for either of the two ass clowns.

Friday changed everything. Because of what happened on Friday I believe wholeheartedly that Hillary is going to be indicted so now I feel like I kind of have a moral obligation to do the one small thing that I can do to prevent her corruption from further damaging this nation. The game has changed so I will be voting for Trump in spite of the fact that I think he's a con man, has some serious ethical flaws, and has the potential to cause us a great deal of embarrassment. It's still preferable to Hillary winning, though. How ****ed up is that?

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For myself, I'm of the opinion that even if Clinton knowingly and intentionally mishandled classified information with the express purpose of providing it to parties outside the USA and got paid for it...

As in, a traitor and a spy.

She would still be a better option than Trump.


That said, I'm not voting for either.

Brewdog said:

Good. Someone else not old enough to get the reference to the joke.

Shouldn't you be with the rest of Millennials washing dishes at the Denny's so you can pay off your Theater degree?

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I understand the joke, but today, it's not a joke, it's something that gets used, primarily by Millennials, at pretty much everything.

thinkagain said:

Just because those around you do stupid things ... does not make it smart to follow.

The people are starting to wake up to the fact that establishment is bad for the people. The Trump and Sanders movements are testament to this.

The problem is that the "establishment" is both Red and Blue so voting either will just maintain the status quo.

Both Hillary and Trump then come with "too much baggage". Hillary's baggage is "Blue" and Trump's is "Red".

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You can do what you want to do, by all means vote for whoever you want to, but you have to acknowledge that Johnson has absolutely no chance of winning the national election and never will. Protest votes are wasted votes because they don't actually affect the outcome of the election.

Jack Fabulous said:

Hillary is going to be indicted

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No chance of that. She's committed no crime.

CanadaJohn said:

I'm expecting the Joint Chiefs of Staff to take over the country until … non-criminal candidates can be found

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Clinton45 is not a criminal. The military can continue to focus on its mission of defending the nation and the Constitution.

Moderate Right said:

Chicago's liberal newspaper has already asked her to step down.

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More of yer usual BS. One columnist on the Tribune has called for her to withdraw. And what makes it a "liberal newspaper"? It's endorsement of the Negro? It's a Republican newspaper, with conservative Chicago views regarding the economy.

Brewdog said:

With her medical condition, maybe she'll forget she's running.

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Enjoy her presidency. I'll be thinking of you.

The Mark said:

if Clinton knowingly and intentionally mishandled classified information with the express purpose of providing it to parties outside the USA and got paid for it … She would still be a better option than Trump.

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She worked quite clumsily to hide her communications with colleagues and subordinates from the RW media hate machine. And yes, she's a much better option than Frump, who is not option at all.

Ikari said:

Likely, but I can't support Corporate Clinton or Terrible Trump, so there would be zero point in voting for them, investing my little piece of sovereignty into either of their presidencies, since neither will go in a direction I could support. So regardless, Johnson it is.

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Not likely, absolutely. I don't support Clinton or Trump either, but one of them absolutely will win and I want one in office less than I want the other. I'd rather have no President this time around, based on the people running for office. I don't support any of them, including Johnson or Stein. But the reality is, one of them is going to win and one of them is going to set the direction of the country for at least the next four years, whether you like it or not. They will do so with or without your vote, just like Gary Johnson is going to lose miserably, with or without your vote. Do whatever you want. It really doesn't change anything.