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Is it fine to booby trap your property to keep people from stealing it?

Is it fine to booby trap your property to keep people from stealing it?

  • Yes. 100% Criminals deserve little sympathy.

    Votes: 19 86.4%

  • No. I support people stealing other people's property.

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • No. I support Clinton regardless of what a criminal she is.

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Total voters
    22
Bodhisattva said:
Is it fine to booby trap your property to keep people from stealing it?
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Can't answer your poll question, because the options are laughingly biased in one direction only, but: ........

Where I come from, rightly or wrongly, a home owner or resident has a legal duty of care to ensure their property is safe should anyone venture on to it during a normal activity or course of work responsibility. In the example given, I'd believe the home owner/resident would be legally responsible for any harm an individual may suffer if and when they came in contact with the sign, provided he/she had not posted proper signage to identify the hazard.
 
VanceMack said:
We can always let some of the pot smokers out of all they did was smoke pot. That might help a little.
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Prohibition was a success in the 20's. Why wouldn't it be successful now?
 
VanceMack said:
We can always let some of the pot smokers out of all they did was smoke pot. That might help a little.
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I think most drugs should be legal... non-injecting ones at least. Let most out. Stop all the stupid police chases and guns drawn on people with a little weed facing prison. And prostitutes... what a stupid war that one is...
 
And one more thing... I like the word booby trap. It reminds me of boobys.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Can't answer your poll question, because the options are laughingly biased in one direction only, but: ........

Where I come from, rightly or wrongly, a home owner or resident has a legal duty of care to ensure their property is safe should anyone venture on to it during a normal activity or course of work responsibility. In the example given, I'd believe the home owner/resident would be legally responsible for any harm an individual may suffer if and when they came in contact with the sign, provided he/she had not posted proper signage to identify the hazard.
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Yeah, that!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Agreed. :lol:

I saw that Merriam one first and spent a bit of time hunting down my Oxford one. I was sweating a bit worried I might lose this important battle of semantics. ;)
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When there's a will there's a way. :)
 
CanadaJohn said:
Can't answer your poll question, because the options are laughingly biased in one direction only, but: ........

Where I come from, rightly or wrongly, a home owner or resident has a legal duty of care to ensure their property is safe should anyone venture on to it during a normal activity or course of work responsibility. In the example given, I'd believe the home owner/resident would be legally responsible for any harm an individual may suffer if and when they came in contact with the sign, provided he/she had not posted proper signage to identify the hazard.
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I agree which is why I mentioned that the booby trap in this case was a lawsuit begging to be filed if somebody did suffer any injury. But philosophically, as there is zero justification to trespass on another's property for the purpose of damaging or stealing the other's property, I have no problem myself with such measures that would discourage such a practice and teach a lesson in a way that does not cause serious injury. I guess I get tired of seeing the law breaker get the better deal in such cases and know of too many who intentionally injured themselves on somebody's property in order to have grounds for a profitable lawsuit.
 
Bodhisattva said:


Is it fine to booby trap your property to keep people from stealing it?
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No. And you didn't include an option for the real reason that it's not okay. Some complete innocent could be hurt by your booby trap.
 
ajn678 said:
Don't think I would put a land mine in my yard, but i have no problem with non lethal protection. If its your property, others don't have the right to even be on it without your permission.
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Plenty of people have legal right to be on your property without your permission. Police, fire, utility workers, and municipal inspectors to name a few. As well some jurisdictions - New York for one - would require you to conspicuously post No Trespassing signs if you didn't want people to come to your front door. Even then if you hurt someone with your booby trap you are going to jail.
 
Gaius46 said:
Plenty of people have legal right to be on your property without your permission. Police, fire, utility workers, and municipal inspectors to name a few. As well some jurisdictions - New York for one - would require you to conspicuously post No Trespassing signs if you didn't want people to come to your front door. Even then if you hurt someone with your booby trap you are going to jail.
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I wasn't referring to police, obviously they have a different set of rules. There's literally no reason for people to keep posting statements like this. Its like asking if there should be a speed limit, and then a bunch of people coming in and saying "cops don't have to follow it". Cops can do a lot of things that don't apply to other people. This doesn't need to be stated.
 
ajn678 said:
I wasn't referring to police, obviously they have a different set of rules. There's literally no reason for people to keep posting statements like this. Its like asking if there should be a speed limit, and then a bunch of people coming in and saying "cops don't have to follow it". Cops can do a lot of things that don't apply to other people. This doesn't need to be stated.
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The point of the statement is that people other than those intent on doing you and your property harm can legally enter your property and thus be exposed to risk of being injured by your booby trap. That is one reason why they are both illegal and ethically wrong.
 
Gaius46 said:
No. And you didn't include an option for the real reason that it's not okay. Some complete innocent could be hurt by your booby trap.
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Not if it is a booby trap that doesn't cause any serious injury. It might be a real good education for a kid bent on doing mischief to get zapped a bit. He or she might think such mischief is probably not a good idea. The sign was placed so anybody touching it without being invited to do so would certainly be trespassing. I am certainly not in favor of deliberately creating an attractive nuisance that might be injurious to a kid, nor am I in favor of booby traps that could injure somebody unless there is adequate deterrence and warning.

In the example of the OP however, it was more humorous than anything dangerous. And I cannot bring myself to personally disapprove.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Not if it is a booby trap that doesn't cause any serious injury. It might be a real good education for a kid bent on doing mischief to get zapped a bit. He or she might think such mischief is probably not a good idea. The sign was placed so anybody touching it without being invited to do so would certainly be trespassing. I am certainly not in favor of deliberately creating an attractive nuisance that might be injurious to a kid, nor am I in favor of booby traps that could injure somebody unless there is adequate deterrence and warning.

In the example of the OP however, it was more humorous than anything dangerous. And I cannot bring myself to personally disapprove.
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Point taken. A 9 volt battery sized charge probably isn't going cause anyone any problems. I was really talking about stuff with a little more juice though
 
ModerateGOP said:
Don't they give those out for free? How is that property?
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You do not have to buy something in order for that something to be your property. If somebody hands you a $100 bill no strings attached, you say thank you and put it in your pocket. And if somebody steals it from you, you would think that your property had been stolen.
 
AlbqOwl said:
You do not have to buy something in order for that something to be your property. If somebody hands you a $100 bill no strings attached, you say thank you and put it in your pocket. And if somebody steals it from you, you would think that your property had been stolen.
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Bodhisattva said:
Once you accept it it becomes yours... your "property". Just like my kids.
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A) I wouldn't care enough about a political sign to booby trap it

B) I wouldn't care if a political sign got stolen from my yard where I can just easily go down to the campaign HQ or get more in the mail.

C) If I did care enough about a political sign to ever own one, I would have gotten multiple copies of it in the first place!
 
ModerateGOP said:
A) I wouldn't care enough about a political sign to booby trap it

B) I wouldn't care if a political sign got stolen from my yard where I can just easily go down to the campaign HQ or get more in the mail.

C) If I did care enough about a political sign to ever own one, I would have gotten multiple copies of it in the first place!
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All very mature... all very reasonable... please don't post here again. ;)
 
Gaius46 said:
Point taken. A 9 volt battery sized charge probably isn't going cause anyone any problems. I was really talking about stuff with a little more juice though
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And they have a pacemaker or bad heart and die and you go to prison.
 
Proportionality is the key.

In general, however, it is a bad idea. What if a young kid grabs it. Or an animal touches it. Keep the power to one of those prank shockers and it is probably fine.
 
Maybe one of those fart sprays could spray them as the ends are removed from the grass. That would be pretty great.
 
Casper said:
And they have a pacemaker or bad heart and die and you go to prison.
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How is that different than having really steep stairs in your front that they have to climb to get to your door?
 
ModerateGOP said:
A) I wouldn't care enough about a political sign to booby trap it

B) I wouldn't care if a political sign got stolen from my yard where I can just easily go down to the campaign HQ or get more in the mail.

C) If I did care enough about a political sign to ever own one, I would have gotten multiple copies of it in the first place!
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Most people wouldn't except somebody who was tired of his same nasty neighbor pulling the political signs out of his yard. And did something about it. And I have a very difficult time disapproving of that.
 
The available answers are not good enough.

You forgot to add....It is ILLEGAL to booby trap your property in most states and Hillary Clinton has NOTHING to do with it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I agree which is why I mentioned that the booby trap in this case was a lawsuit begging to be filed if somebody did suffer any injury. But philosophically, as there is zero justification to trespass on another's property for the purpose of damaging or stealing the other's property, I have no problem myself with such measures that would discourage such a practice and teach a lesson in a way that does not cause serious injury. I guess I get tired of seeing the law breaker get the better deal in such cases and know of too many who intentionally injured themselves on somebody's property in order to have grounds for a profitable lawsuit.
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Good morning wise AO, hope you're well,

I too have little time or sympathy for those in our societies that choose the path of crime and destruction but, as I see it in this case, that sign is a danger to more than just the criminal/political element. Innocent children could run into it or touch it, as an example, and have no intention of damaging the sign and yet get a shock that could hurt them. Likewise, the mailman/woman, should such still exist in that part of the country, could brush against it in passing and likewise be shocked. And as an ironic example, a Trump canvasser could come by and simply try to straight the sign and get dinged.

Too many variables and too many opportunities for innocent parties to be harmed to ever do such a thing, in my view. But nothing wrong with posting a sign, with the sign, saying you have closed circuit TV cameras trained on the sign to pick up video of anyone trying to steal or destroy it. Unfortunately, in today's society, the personal property of others is less respected than at any time I can remember in my lifetime.
 
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