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3rd Presidential debate - Who won? Pls wait & vote after the debate is finished

3rd Presidential debate - Who won? Pls wait & vote after the debate is finished

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I called it about even. Trump hit some good points, she was more poised and professional. I really don't think the debate helped or hurt either of them.

Chris Matthews was the best mod so far.
 
MrPeanut said:
Trump threw out a lot of mud, but if you don't read Breitbart it was probably confusing. She also seemed more presidential.
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I do find that bizarre. I don't read rightwing media religiously so many of his attacks went over my head. Is it really smart to require people to have the Breitbart Reader handy to even understand the attack you're trying to level on your opponent?
 
Greenbeard said:
I do find that bizarre. I don't read rightwing media religiously so many of his attacks went over my head. Is it really smart to require people to have the Breitbart Reader handy to even understand the attack you're trying to level on your opponent?
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I think at this point he is looking to speak to his audience. I really think Trump is going to open up his own sort of news outlet. He wasn't trying to win tonight.
 
JANFU said:
He has kept up with the election is rigged and he will keep the country in suspense as to whether he accepts the final vote.
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The pundits in the MSM are already going on about that, spinning it for Hillary.

All he said was that he would wait and see. :shrug:

What he should have pointed out when Hillary talked about the "honest" party campaigns was how the DNC rigged those elections against Bernie. That would have been a good reply.
 
Kreton said:
I dont disagree with you at all.

But trump appeals to our lowest and worst qualities. And he damn sure hates commoners. Lets not pretend he is any different.
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Trump is a brilliant tactician and knows how to work well with others. Hillary is a hated witch with a real nasty personality.

“When in public, Hillary smiles and acts graciously,” Kessler explains. “As soon as the cameras are gone, her angry personality, nastiness, and imperiousness become evident.”

He adds: “Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like Mahatma Gandhi.”
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Secret Service agents: Hillary is a nightmare to work with | New York Post

 “Hillary was very rude to agents, and she didn’t appear to like law enforcement or the military,” former Secret Service agent Lloyd Bulman recalls. “She wouldn’t go over and meet military people or police officers, as most protectees do. She was just really rude to almost everybody. She’d act like she didn’t want you around, like you were beneath her.”
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She just has a real disdain for commoners. She hates the everyday joe and is furious she has to even run for President. She wont get along with Putin. She certainly wont get along with Bashar al-Assad.

Worst of all she has no idea what she is doing. Foreign countries will rip off America so much our standing in the world will diminish greatly with Hillary as President.
 
Clinton won a little bit and Trump composed himself well compared to his other performances. In fact, I'd say both Clinton and Trump cleaned up the majority of their annoying behavioral tics and comments, Trump with his incessant interruptions and vile insults, Clinton with her painfully cheesy quips like "Trumped up, trickle down" or "Look it up at HillaryClinton.com!" Trump will almost certainly lose the post debate as well as he was noticeably more unable to answer questions directly, and the "such a nasty woman" and his refusal to definitively accept the results of the election will be the takeaway over the course of the week.

My opinion is that while he was, as I already said, remarkably well composed compared to the other debates, a small voice will play out in people's heads saying, "Yeah, but Clinton has always been well composed. Why should I vote for the guy who's only just now, with less than three weeks left in the election, finally beginning to figure out how to behave as a candidate?"

Additionally, I didn't see Trump expanding his voter base to additional demographics tonight.

Also, politifact is going to be doing a lot of copying and pasting from past decisions for tomorrow's edition. Trump is perfectly happy to repeat his lies (such as supporting the war in Iraq, that he didn't mock a disabled reporter, that Clinton started Isis, that she wants open borders) no...matter...what.

Personal takeaway: just thank God this wasn't like the last debate. That's all. Just thank Christ.

Offs, the poll is anonymous? Why?
 
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Wallace was fair. he challenged Clinton more than any other moderator has, and he also went after Trump in the same way.
 
The visuals for Trump were again a nightmare with his smirking and smart ass facials which started 25 minutes in as he began to lose control Clinton beat him on almost every issue which was designed to attract voters in the middle and the important category of suburban women. Trump was more forceful on the Clinton Foundation but that was about it.

His outright refusal to stop the far right support base from not accepting the process as legitimate when their little mussolini goes down in flames was beyond the pale as Senator Jeff Sessions just tweeted.

Trump convinced nobody tonight he did not already have in his pocket. Clinton by contrast was more measured and more in control and in turn looked more presidential.

And that is why she won.
 
Helix said:
Wallace was fair. he challenged Clinton more than any other moderator has, and he also went after Trump in the same way.
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Chris Wallace needs to take a time machine to the first two debates and moderate those.
 
This was definitely Chris Wallace's best debate so far ;)

These have been the least informative debates I can remember. With both candidates continuing to make the same points pretty much across all three.

I actually found myself paying more attention to the time the two were speaking, how often they were interrupted, who received more "over run" without being stopped, and how it was in comparison to the two previous debates. It did prove more informative than the repeated talking points made by both candidates though, and this one did not seem as biased in allowing one candidate more time and more additional time as the previous debates, but it does seem Donald is more tolerant of the interruptions and his opponent being allowed to run beyond the time limits.

One distinction that seemed more obvious this time was that Hillary was seemingly more emotionally flustered (you have to look past the political polishing) and Donald actually less emotional in comparison to the previous debates.

Now the after commentary sucked as usual and I find it unacceptable for the "talking heads" to add their twist to things after the debate has ended, and this violates the very purpose of a debate in the first place, and for me discredits those making statements (to form opinion of those watching) as if a voter actually needs an explanation of what they just saw there is a problem, and if the speaker is either not fully understanding or worse twisting the meaning of what was said that's an even worse problem.
 
Captain Adverse said:
The pundits in the MSM are already going on about that, spinning it for Hillary.

All he said was that he would wait and see. :shrug:

What he should have pointed out when Hillary talked about the "honest" party campaigns was how the DNC rigged those elections against Bernie. That would have been a good reply.
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He used the word suspense from what I recall
 
Cardinal said:
Chris Wallace needs to take a time machine to the first two debates and moderate those.
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better yet, to the late 1980s. maybe he could start a more neutral news network.
 
Defining "won" as "convinced me to vote for one of them" = Tie.
Defining "won" as "made some good points and didn't get too off the rails"... = I think perhaps Clinton ended with a slight lead in that regard. But Trump made a few points too.

Overall I don't think this convinced very many people one way or another.
 
haymarket said:
The visuals for Trump were again a nightmare with his smirking and smart ass facials which started 25 minutes in as he began to lose control Clinton beat him on almost every issue which was designed to attract voters in the middle and the important category of suburban women. Trump was more forceful on the Clinton Foundation but that was about it.

His outright refusal to stop the far right support base from not accepting the process as legitimate when their little mussolini goes down in flames was beyond the pale as Senator Jeff Sessions just tweeted.

Trump convinced nobody tonight he did not already have in his pocket. Clinton by contrast was more measured and more in control and in turn looked more presidential.

And that is why she won.
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How did you miss her smirking half-smiles and eye-rolling? She kept all that under better control during this debate than the last one, but you somehow missed her supercilious smirking?
 
Cardinal said:
My opinion is that while he was, as I already said, remarkably well composed compared to the other debates, a small voice will play out in people's heads saying, "Yeah, but Clinton has always been well composed. Why should I vote for the guy who's only just now, with less than three weeks left in the election, finally beginning to figure out how to behave as a candidate?"

Also, politifact is going to be doing a lot of copying and pasting from past decisions for tomorrow's edition. Trump is perfectly happy to repeat his lies (such as supporting the war in Iraq, that he didn't mock a disabled reporter, that Clinton started Isis, that she wants open borders) no...matter...what.
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Not bad for a lefty :shock:

Seriously if I was a righty I would consider that praise lol.

The thing I think many people with a left leaning history or preference may be missing is that a really large amount of people see what you refer to as composure as little more than political polishing or PC etc. and the very fact that Trump is not as polished and politically correct politician and speaks often without the scripting that is so obvious with HRC and specifically designed to somehow sway voters (Most voters are not stupid like that you know) is what is actually so appealing to so many, and think of it many leaning to the right may be missing it as well (judging by the actions of other candidates, and results during the primary).

And in reference to your last paragraph I honestly could not tell you what Clinton really stands for in respect to those matters, and much as I know typical candidates will say whatever they believe the voters want to hear in order to get votes it is indeed very sad. Could that be due to previous flip flopping of opinion, voting history in the Senate, actual changes during her time in politics, or just how she pulls off making statements with no more substance than Trump while appearing to be 100% confident that it is fact, or maybe just that she comes off worse than Trump in one very important thing "Believe ability" due to being so obviously polished to the point of appearing to say almost anything with a straight face (if it helps her win).

Wish I had answers to this, and maybe it is better that I don't (or don't share them lol).
 
LennyD said:
Not bad for a lefty :shock:
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Thanks.

LennyD said:
Seriously if I was a righty I would consider that praise lol.

The thing I think many people with a left leaning history or preference may be missing is that a really large amount of people see what you refer to as composure as little more than political polishing or PC etc. and the very fact that Trump is not as polished and politically correct politician and speaks often without the scripting that is so obvious with HRC and specifically designed to somehow sway voters (Most voters are not stupid like that you know) is what is actually so appealing to so many, and think of it many leaning to the right may be missing it as well (judging by the actions of other candidates, and results during the primary).

And in reference to your last paragraph I honestly could not tell you what Clinton really stands for in respect to those matters, and much as I know typical candidates will say whatever they believe the voters want to hear in order to get votes it is indeed very sad. Could that be due to previous flip flopping of opinion, voting history in the Senate, actual changes during her time in politics, or just how she pulls off making statements with no more substance than Trump while appearing to be 100% confident that it is fact, or maybe just that she comes off worse than Trump in one very important thing "Believe ability" due to being so obviously polished to the point of appearing to say almost anything with a straight face (if it helps her win).

Wish I had answers to this, and maybe it is better that I don't (or don't share them lol).
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JANFU said:
3rd Presidential debate - Who won? Pls wait & vote after the debate is finished

3rd Presidential debate - Who won?

Pls wait & vote after the debate is finished.
Thank you

Who won the debate?

I am Republican- Trump

I am Republican - Clinton

I am Democrat - Trump

I am Democrat - Clinton

I am other- Trump

I am other- Clinton

To close to call a winner

Other- Unsure - Pls explain
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This was Clinton's worst debate, but Trump did way worse than she did.
 
Captain Adverse said:
The pundits in the MSM are already going on about that, spinning it for Hillary.

All he said was that he would wait and see. :shrug:

What he should have pointed out when Hillary talked about the "honest" party campaigns was how the DNC rigged those elections against Bernie. That would have been a good reply.
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Have to agree, and it would seems his missed opportunities played out worse for him than anything he actually said.
 
ModerateGOP said:
This was Clinton's worst debate, but Trump did way worse than she did.
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Was she really so bad though, compared to the others? If so, why?
 
Cardinal said:
Was she really so bad though, compared to the others? If so, why?
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I think Trump hit her more, but in his Trumpish way that will offend people. I'm from NJ so, I'm kinda used to that.
Trump keeps making unnecessary comments, and after fiddling with the microphone, for awhile in the beginning, he finally got the sniffles away!!!!!

There were some big moments:
He said he would only concede the election after he looks at some type of data to prove he lost???
He said Hombre as sort of a sly comment talking about bad immigrants
He talked over Clinton while she was saying something and said "Nasty Woman."

He continued to say it is being rigged and talked a lot about the various conspiracies as of late.
He continued to say he never knew any of those women, who are coming out said Clinton got those women to come out, and also says they are lying for 15 minutes of fame.

They both talked over each other a lot.
They both didn't listen to Chris Wallace who had an even harder time trying to moderate the audience too

Once again, none of them had enough substance or direct answers to Chris Wallace's questions.
She never really refuted the videos, and never really committed to much of any substantial policy proposal... This is my main beef with her, but apparently that's what she has to do so she can continue playing political games.

At least there is only 19 days left until the end of this super obvious and Clinton-is-going-to-win election.
 
his worst moment-playing "weasel" on whether he would accept the election results

her worst moments

1) claiming that the DC gun ban that she supports (and why she wants to get rid of Heller) was designed to protect Toddlers. Now most of the people on this board don't understand that law but its a bald faced lie

2) claiming her schemes won't raise the deficit ONE PENNY. Complete crap

This one was a draw with the real winner being Chris Wallace. He crushed the other moderators' performances by a wide margin. Especially the weak one in the VP debate or the hard core pro hillary mods in the second debate (which Trump clearly won)
 
Bucky said:
Trump is a showman. Most importantly he is going to shine on the issues..
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Yeah he shines like a...

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TurtleDude said:
his worst moment-playing "weasel" on whether he would accept the election results

her worst moments

1) claiming that the DC gun ban that she supports (and why she wants to get rid of Heller) was designed to protect Toddlers. Now most of the people on this board don't understand that law but its a bald faced lie

2) claiming her schemes won't raise the deficit ONE PENNY. Complete crap

This one was a draw with the real winner being Chris Wallace. He crushed the other moderators' performances by a wide margin. Especially the weak one in the VP debate or the hard core pro hillary mods in the second debate (which Trump clearly won)
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Nasty woman and bad hombre will not help him either.
 
Top Cat said:
Nasty woman and bad hombre will not help him either.
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bad hombre-BFD

Nasty woman-truth. if you like Hillary as you do, you think it will hurt him. My wife-who despises hillary more than I do, was cheering when he said that
 
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