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This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?

This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?


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The Republicans nominated the only candidate that could possibly and will lose to Hillary Clinton. I thought it would be impossible to find a candidate who is more disliked by America as a whole than Hillary. Yet the Republicans managed to do just that. The Republicans, 40% of them who voted for Trump were much more interested in sending the GOP party leaders and their elected officials a message, a statement than winning an election in November.

Bottom line is they sent their message and lost in November. Many tried to warn them, but that statement was most important and took priority even it mean a lost November election.
I'm starting to think the President is more of a foil to hide the bull**** Congress is up to than anything, so it doesn't really matter who becomes president.

What matters is who wins congressional seats. But I don't expect most voters to pay enough attention to pick good congresspeople - we never do. Hell I just started doing research on that, which is kinda lame.
 
1.)While technically he might be as insane as trump, if for different reasons, it's possible he might have been able to...present a better facade?
2.) We'll never know though. Probably for the best.

1.) Oh I agree with that, thats why I said you might be right. His ability to present a better facade DEFINITELY exists, but would he have? With the evidence and history of his stances would it have worked? I dont know?
2.) Probably lol
 
ONLY? You are welcome to that opinion but in my opinion I completely disagree.
Just to name a few she would have also beat Cruz, Rubio, Carson, Huckabee, Fiorina, perry and Paul.

Surprisingly and it hurts to even say, I think Bush would of had a real chance if he got the nominee. lol

I see you left Kasich off that list. Looking at the unfavorables of the candidates, one tends not to vote for someone they dislike. Clinton has hovered around 55% since the first of the year, Trump at 60%, sometimes over, sometimes under. That is a whole bunch of disliking there. Kasich had a unfavorable rating of 30%, he was also winning the independent vote which makes up 42% of the total electorate 54-29 over Clinton. Rubio unfavorable was higher than Kasich at 35%, he too was beating Clinton among independents 44-38. These two reason is why I think either Rubio or Kasich would have beaten Clinton.

I am have exaggerated some especially when it comes to Cruz, his unfavorable were way up at 57% and he was losing independents to Clinton. There I was probably wrong. The others weren't serious contenders. But you do have a valid point with them. Bush unfavorable s were as high as Hillary's, it probably would have been a good race.
 
I'm starting to think the President is more of a foil to hide the bull**** Congress is up to than anything, so it doesn't really matter who becomes president.

What matters is who wins congressional seats. But I don't expect most voters to pay enough attention to pick good congresspeople - we never do. Hell I just started doing research on that, which is kinda lame.

Both parties govern about the same. So in that sense you are probably right in that it doesn't matter that much who wins. Besides both parties owe their heart and soul to the moneyed elite who finance all their campaigns. To Corporations, Wall Street, lobbyist, special interests mega money donors etc. Neither party or whomever is president is about to bite the hand that feeds it.

Congress over the years has ceded quite a lot of their constitutional powers either to the administration or to other federal agencies, departments and the like. Then the members of congress who are of the same party of the one who is president, who is in the white house are more like members of that administration than members of congress. Congress is suppose to represent the people in their districts and in the state they are from if a senator. Not the president, but that is how it plays out.
 
1.) I see you left Kasich off that list.
2.)Looking at the unfavorables of the candidates, one tends not to vote for someone they dislike.
3.) Clinton has hovered around 55% since the first of the year, Trump at 60%, sometimes over, sometimes under. That is a whole bunch of disliking there. Kasich had a unfavorable rating of 30%, he was also winning the independent vote which makes up 42% of the total electorate 54-29 over Clinton.
4.) Rubio unfavorable was higher than Kasich at 35%, he too was beating Clinton among independents 44-38. These two reason is why I think either Rubio or Kasich would have beaten Clinton.
5.) I am have exaggerated some especially when it comes to Cruz, his unfavorable were way up at 57% and he was losing independents to Clinton. There I was probably wrong. The others weren't serious contenders. But you do have a valid point with them. Bush unfavorable s were as high as Hillary's, it probably would have been a good race.

1.) yes i did, and christy and bush because i think they could of had a shoot, i dont think she just beats them
2.) that may be true for some people, its not true for myself or others i know. Policy, platform, hisotry is way more important to me
3.) i left him off for a reason
4.) IMO Rubio would have also lost based on policy/history also.
5.) Its just my opinion but I think Cruz would have been slaughtered. like a 2008 0r 1996 whoopin, but not like an 80s whoopin lol. but we'll never know.
 
They lost the election because the Republican party had more bigots and degenerates in it than sane Republicans dared to imagine, and Trump tapped that demographic exclusively. The GOP thus felt obligated to gather around somebody they knew to be psychologically unstable, and Bob's your Uncle.

The cultural landscape is going to remain changed for a generation.

What kind of crap is that? Straight out of the Daily Kos? Who occupies the Democratic party, sycophants and welfare queens. People who blame this country for every problem in the world, while ignoring the greatest threat to freedom. Self satisfied idiots that think they are somehow saving the world because they can give away others money to feel good about themselves.

Please, this country is going downhill and Hillary will be greasing the wheels.
 
You "know" that because that's what you've been told. And told again. And again. And again. And again.

But if you'd look at things like, you know, documented history, you'd find out that the last two presidents who balanced the budget were Democrats. Not the Republicans, but the Democrats. And if the significantly-lower per-capita cost of providing single-payer health care in ALL other first-world democracies is any indication, it would result not in a higher debt load...but one that is lower than what it would be otherwise.

But I get it - you can't allow yourself to consider even for a moment that maybe, just maybe ALL the other first-world democracies are doing something better and more effectively - and more cheaply - than we are. 'Cause they're all a different species of human in your eyes, perhaps?
No, I am aware that Clinton left a surplus. i was well aware of that.
next- the US previously paid for their wars through bonds and such. The war in Astan and Iraq were funded by deficits.
I always allow myself to see facts.
Next- I try hard as heck to be non partisan.
Yes other countries have done things in a way that was more efficient than the US - health care comes to mind.
Other thing is other developed countries have better social programs, and that equates to higher taxes, something, I as a Canadian, with an excellent income have no issues with.
Did i say cut social programs, did i even imply that. Nope.
So before you slam me for being some kind of Dufus pls ask for clarification.
 
What kind of crap is that? Straight out of the Daily Kos? Who occupies the Democratic party, sycophants and welfare queens. People who blame this country for every problem in the world, while ignoring the greatest threat to freedom. Self satisfied idiots that think they are somehow saving the world because they can give away others money to feel good about themselves.

Please, this country is going downhill and Hillary will be greasing the wheels.

I would use "deplorables," but that term has kind of been used up lately.
 
But he was even less likely to get nominated than Cruz.

And that goes to the root of the Republican dysfunction. Catering to the far right.
 
This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?
HRC has more baggage, more scandals to be nailed on.
Next this would be the 3rd term for a Democrat.
Yet the republicans managed to lose this election.
List your reasons why?
Not sure if this is the correct place for this.

A Republican must win at least 40% of the Hispanic vote to win the general election. Until they figure that out and thus broaden their base, they will be losing every presidential election.
 
A Republican must win at least 40% of the Hispanic vote to win the general election. Until they figure that out and thus broaden their base, they will be losing every presidential election.
That only depends upon a few Sates. Florida is one.
 
That only depends upon a few Sates. Florida is one.

Karl Rove himself wrote about this a couple of years ago. The only Republican since 1988 to win the popular vote in a presidential election was Bush in 2004. He did it by winning 40% of the Hispanic vote. There is not enough of the white vote to make up the difference for the Republicans in this increasingly diverse country. Romney won more of the white vote than even Reagan did, yet he still lost.

Karl Rove: More White Votes Alone Won't Save the GOP - WSJ
 
Karl Rove himself wrote about this a couple of years ago. The only Republican since 1988 to win the popular vote in a presidential election was Bush in 2004. He did it by winning 40% of the Hispanic vote. There is not enough of the white vote to make up the difference for the Republicans in this increasingly diverse country. Romney won more of the white vote than even Reagan did, yet he still lost.

Karl Rove: More White Votes Alone Won't Save the GOP - WSJ
White vote- You are referring to those without higher education- Post secondary?
Anyhow my friend, i am tired and of to bed.
 
White vote- You are referring to those without higher education- Post secondary?
Anyhow my friend, i am tired and of to bed.

I mean all the white vote that Republicans can possibly win over. There isn't enough of it for them to carry the presidential election without them making significant increases with minorities. Trump has probably ruined that one for them for quite a while. In my opinion their best bet in 2020 would be to somehow convince Condi Rice to run and figure out someway for the crazies in the base to vote for her in the primaries.
 
1.) yes i did, and christy and bush because i think they could of had a shoot, i dont think she just beats them
2.) that may be true for some people, its not true for myself or others i know. Policy, platform, hisotry is way more important to me
3.) i left him off for a reason
4.) IMO Rubio would have also lost based on policy/history also.
5.) Its just my opinion but I think Cruz would have been slaughtered. like a 2008 0r 1996 whoopin, but not like an 80s whoopin lol. but we'll never know.

No we won't. I am more a numbers guy than an ideological one when it comes to elections like these. I have learned or found out the vote pattern or results usually follow real close to a candidates favorable/unfavorable numbers. I didn't pay any attention to Christie as he was toast after bridgegate. He went from being the darling of the GOP and the media to unfavorables as high as Trump's.

I suppose the bottom line is the GOP blew it with the nomination of Trump. About the only question left is how low Trump will go. The only poll out that was begun and ended after the release of the tape is the NBC/WSJ poll which shows Clinton with a 46-37 lead over Trump with Johnson at 8% and Stein at 2%. Clinton had a 44-41 lead back on the 7th. that is just one poll. Not good to go by just one, but it is all we got for the moment to compare the standings from pre-tape to post-tape. But if one stops to think about it, that is a nine point lead for Clinton with just 7% undecided. I would call that a sizeable lead.
 
True enough, and he has created massive divisions within the party. From what I have read, between those that support him and those that will not, decades long friendships, working together has gone by the wayside.
But the question is - before the Primary, this was an election for the R to lose. I believe it was.
3rd terms for the Whitehouse, generally do not do well.

I suggest everyone read the above, three times slowly. "....and he has created massive divisions..."

If that's what he does to the party, I wonder what kind of America could survive his presidency. It may not survive this election.

I am astonished. Sane, reasoned members in here who slapped silly the Obamabots who forgave all and anything in the name of their party are now becoming Obamabots who got to extreme lengths to cover anything and everything.

Now regarding this "***** grabbing" business, the Trump dolts are saying "hey, all men are like that."

What they don't realize is they are arguing that every American male is a pig who talks about grabbing ******s.

OK, they win, I agree.
 
No we won't. I am more a numbers guy than an ideological one when it comes to elections like these. I have learned or found out the vote pattern or results usually follow real close to a candidates favorable/unfavorable numbers. I didn't pay any attention to Christie as he was toast after bridgegate. He went from being the darling of the GOP and the media to unfavorables as high as Trump's.

I suppose the bottom line is the GOP blew it with the nomination of Trump. About the only question left is how low Trump will go. The only poll out that was begun and ended after the release of the tape is the NBC/WSJ poll which shows Clinton with a 46-37 lead over Trump with Johnson at 8% and Stein at 2%. Clinton had a 44-41 lead back on the 7th. that is just one poll. Not good to go by just one, but it is all we got for the moment to compare the standings from pre-tape to post-tape. But if one stops to think about it, that is a nine point lead for Clinton with just 7% undecided. I would call that a sizeable lead.

Nothing wrong with being a numbers guy, Im an engineer and got some nerd in me so i get it lol
Ive been trying to take beats for months and months that trump will not be our next president.

I simply go with my gut about the american people and the reality/climate of things and I havent been wrong yet. Doesnt mean this couldn't be the first time since its just guessing. But I picked every winner for the last 20+ years. Its never about what I want its about what I feel the american people will actually do. I took a lot of heat when I was telling people bush would get re-elected lol but thats not what I wanted its what I felt about what people would do on election day. I have felt for along time if hilary got the nomination the WH was probably hers.

Whats bad about her winning though is whatever dem runs in 2024 will probably have no shot. I would rather the people have a shot at winning based on their recorded and platform than being judged for their party.

But it would be EXCELLENT if that helps speed up the fall of the two party strong hold. The republicans already have to scramble and decide what they are doing so with that maybe the dems realizing over time that 2024 could be tough no matter what will do the same. Maybe we will have the same number of people running for both sides like we did for the right this time but at least HALF of them will be solid people?!


yes I know . . . i DREAM BIG!!!! LMAO
 
Nothing wrong with being a numbers guy, Im an engineer and got some nerd in me so i get it lol
Ive been trying to take beats for months and months that trump will not be our next president.

I simply go with my gut about the american people and the reality/climate of things and I havent been wrong yet. Doesnt mean this couldn't be the first time since its just guessing. But I picked every winner for the last 20+ years. Its never about what I want its about what I feel the american people will actually do. I took a lot of heat when I was telling people bush would get re-elected lol but thats not what I wanted its what I felt about what people would do on election day. I have felt for along time if hilary got the nomination the WH was probably hers.

Whats bad about her winning though is whatever dem runs in 2024 will probably have no shot. I would rather the people have a shot at winning based on their recorded and platform than being judged for their party.

But it would be EXCELLENT if that helps speed up the fall of the two party strong hold. The republicans already have to scramble and decide what they are doing so with that maybe the dems realizing over time that 2024 could be tough no matter what will do the same. Maybe we will have the same number of people running for both sides like we did for the right this time but at least HALF of them will be solid people?!


yes I know . . . i DREAM BIG!!!! LMAO

Nothing wrong with dreaming. For me, the numbers were never there for Trump to win. Sure he won the nomination, but he won it getting 40% of the GOP primary vote which the Republican base makes up 27% of the total electorate. Transferring 40% of 27% to 51% of 100% is not an easy task. The demographics between Republican primary voters and those who vote in the general election is completely different. But I rarely get into them, I prefer to look at party affiliation numbers which all demographics are include. What percentage of the electorate makes up the Republican base, what percentage is the Democratic base and the percentage of the electorate who affiliate or identify as independents. Then break down the independents into independents lean Republican, indies lean democratic and pure or true independents with no leans. Knowing those numbers which Gallup provides usually once a month, sometimes twice a month if an election is near one can use historical averages, percentages on how each group votes.

It doesn't matter how many whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asian are in each group, just the total number. An example is the Republican base makes up 27% of the electorate and the historical average is that base votes for their party's candidate 91% of the time. So the GOP nominee should get around 24.5% of the Republican base vote. This works great in a normal election like 2012. Where the two major candidates get 98% plus of the total vote.

But this year is so unique with the very high dislikes of each major party candidate and with third parties drawing 10-15% depending on the poll. One must then throw the historical averages out the window. But RCP provides plenty of polls which break down the percentages of how many Republicans are voting for Trump, how many for Clinton, how many for Johnson and Stein, the number of undecided and will not vote. So the numbers are there, all one has to do is averaging them out to come up with a number that should be within a percent of two of how the Republican base will vote. Do the same for the Democrats, the leans which leaves the pure/true independents with no leans.

But again the polls provide the total numbers for independents also. Just take the favorable numbers for one or the other candidate times the number of pure/true independents with no leans.

Or one can take the easy way and just look at RCP's averages in the four candidate field and you will have a pretty reliable feel of where this election stands. But I find it more fun to play with the numbers. They do surprise you every once in a while, give you something you didn't expect.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein
 
Nothing wrong with dreaming. For me, the numbers were never there for Trump to win. Sure he won the nomination, but he won it getting 40% of the GOP primary vote which the Republican base makes up 27% of the total electorate. Transferring 40% of 27% to 51% of 100% is not an easy task. The demographics between Republican primary voters and those who vote in the general election is completely different. But I rarely get into them, I prefer to look at party affiliation numbers which all demographics are include. What percentage of the electorate makes up the Republican base, what percentage is the Democratic base and the percentage of the electorate who affiliate or identify as independents. Then break down the independents into independents lean Republican, indies lean democratic and pure or true independents with no leans. Knowing those numbers which Gallup provides usually once a month, sometimes twice a month if an election is near one can use historical averages, percentages on how each group votes.

It doesn't matter how many whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asian are in each group, just the total number. An example is the Republican base makes up 27% of the electorate and the historical average is that base votes for their party's candidate 91% of the time. So the GOP nominee should get around 24.5% of the Republican base vote. This works great in a normal election like 2012. Where the two major candidates get 98% plus of the total vote.

But this year is so unique with the very high dislikes of each major party candidate and with third parties drawing 10-15% depending on the poll. One must then throw the historical averages out the window. But RCP provides plenty of polls which break down the percentages of how many Republicans are voting for Trump, how many for Clinton, how many for Johnson and Stein, the number of undecided and will not vote. So the numbers are there, all one has to do is averaging them out to come up with a number that should be within a percent of two of how the Republican base will vote. Do the same for the Democrats, the leans which leaves the pure/true independents with no leans.

But again the polls provide the total numbers for independents also. Just take the favorable numbers for one or the other candidate times the number of pure/true independents with no leans.

Or one can take the easy way and just look at RCP's averages in the four candidate field and you will have a pretty reliable feel of where this election stands. But I find it more fun to play with the numbers. They do surprise you every once in a while, give you something you didn't expect.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein
good stuff!
ive liked that site for a while now!
 
People are generally fed up with one party after 8 years, so I think the Republicans certainly had an advantage going into this election cycle. But they let the far-right wingnuts choose their candidate. And they're likely to lose because of that.
 
Curious...

What percentage of the voters are in fact "African American" ?

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https://www.brookings.edu/research/minority-turnout-determined-the-2012-election/
 
They lost the election because the Republican party had more bigots and degenerates in it than sane Republicans dared to imagine, and Trump tapped that demographic exclusively. The GOP thus felt obligated to gather around somebody they knew to be psychologically unstable, and Bob's your Uncle.

The cultural landscape is going to remain changed for a generation.

Hogwash...you're as insulting as the bag of disgusting crap Hillary Clinton.
 
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