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This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?

This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?

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JANFU said:
I found it stunning that many groups of Evangelicals endorsed Trump. A man that never asked God for forgiveness.
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Be careful when using the word "never'. That is an absolute that you can't prove.

This isn't an election about religion, this is an election for President of the United States.
 
ocean515 said:
Be careful when using the word "never'. That is an absolute that you can't prove.

This isn't an election about religion, this is an election for President of the United States.
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IIRC it was words from his mouth.
 
ocean515 said:
Be careful when using the word "never'. That is an absolute that you can't prove.

This isn't an election about religion, this is an election for President of the United States.
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Here we go.

Trump: 'Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?' (Video)

The Christian Post previously reported on comments made by Trump regarding his faith at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa.

Clarifying his comments on forgiveness, Trump declared, "I go to communion and that's asking forgiveness, you know, it's a form of asking forgiveness." During the interview the current GOP frontrunner stressed that he "likes to work where he doesn't have to ask forgiveness."
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Trump believes in God, but hasn't sought forgiveness - CNNPolitics.com
"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.
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ocean515 said:
"I will be asking for forgiveness, but hopefully I won’t have to be asking for much forgiveness. As you know, I am Presbyterian and Protestant. I’ve had great relationships and developed even greater relationships with ministers.

Read more: Trump: I hope I don't have to ask 'for much forgiveness' from God - POLITICO
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A year later he changed his mind. Pls note my links are from 2015.
Your date (Jun 2016) are when he was and had courted Evangelicals.
 
This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?
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historically speaking, probably. eight years builds significant fatigue, and the Democrats were hell bent on nominating an unappealing legacy candidate as the Republicans did in 2008 and 2012.
 
since 2013 I said if Hilary is the nominee that she will more than likely win. Its always been the DEMS to lose and it doesnt look like they are going too.

The reason I have always felt that way isnt because of anything personal but simply because the climate of politics, the pulse/reality of the country and what people will do on voting day.

After Obama soundly won again it seemed obvious instead of the the right focusing more on the MAJORITY of their people they would move even further right. In general the american people/voters DO NOT want that. It was plain as day that who ever the party brought forward was NOT going to be what the american people wanted in general and we say that with nutters like Cruz being among the front runners (thank god he lost too) anyway there was no reason to think that was ever going to work especially against hilary even with her baggage.

The only real option was somebody more moderate like with the views of christie. If given the nomination a person with views more like him could have a better shot. Not sayign they would have won but sayign the change would have been greater, more legit.

The last option and the one that could win was to give the people what they REALLY want and thats a candidate that breaks the mold and goes against the two party stranglehold. Could the right do it? Amongst themselves could they stomach it? Well looks like they couldn't. Trump has SOME of those qualities but it is also in so many ways more of the same and a buffoon many feel he simply isnt worth the risk.

Luckily and I thank god that he will not be our next president but unfortunately Hilary will.

So IMO I think it was the DEMS to lose and has been for a long time, ive been saying it since 2013.
 
JANFU said:
A year later he changed his mind. Pls note my links are from 2015.
Your date (Jun 2016) are when he was and had courted Evangelicals.
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Read the transcript from the interview I believe you are referencing. The relevant comments are about half way down.

Transcript: Donald Trump’s remarks at the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Iowa - Part 2 | What The Folly?!

There is nothing of value to be learned from CNN. I'm not familiar with CP. Frankly, they are welcome to whatever they want to report, or believe.

The screen shot came out too small to read, but it can be viewed via the link.
 

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Mr Person said:
****.

I meant in this thread's poll.

Whoops!
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In a political poll I usually ask Dem- Repub - Independent. I think that may / could only be applicable for an ethic based poll- race relations would be an example. And at this time I cannot see myself adding that to a poll.
 
JANFU said:
This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?
HRC has more baggage, more scandals to be nailed on.
Next this would be the 3rd term for a Democrat.
Yet the republicans managed to lose this election.
List your reasons why?
Not sure if this is the correct place for this.
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Democrats tried their hardest to lose the election by nominating Clinton.
Republicans tried their hardest to lose the election by nominating Trump.

That these two represent the two main parties is the only reason the election is even close. If one or the other was not their party's nominee, it wouldn't even be close.

That's my opinion of the matter.
 
The Mark said:
Democrats tried their hardest to lose the election by nominating Clinton.
Republicans tried their hardest to lose the election by nominating Trump.

That these two represent the two main parties is the only reason the election is even close. If one or the other was not their party's nominee, it wouldn't even be close.

That's my opinion of the matter.
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I have to agree. One qualifier- the person aside from trump who may have won the nomination
 
JANFU said:
This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?
HRC has more baggage, more scandals to be nailed on.
Next this would be the 3rd term for a Democrat.
Yet the republicans managed to lose this election.
List your reasons why?
Not sure if this is the correct place for this.
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Is America better off now than it was on the day that Obama first took the Oath of Office? Absolutely. And all the "America's-going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket" hand-wringing by the Right can't erase that fact.
 
JANFU said:
I have to agree. One qualifier- the person aside from trump who may have won the nomination
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Hmm. I think if Cruz won it might have been almost as close - he might have been able to beat Clinton simply by not being quite as insane as Trump is.
 
JANFU said:
This election, prior to primary was for the Republicans to lose?
HRC has more baggage, more scandals to be nailed on.
Next this would be the 3rd term for a Democrat.
Yet the republicans managed to lose this election.
List your reasons why?
Not sure if this is the correct place for this.
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The Republicans nominated the only candidate that could possibly and will lose to Hillary Clinton. I thought it would be impossible to find a candidate who is more disliked by America as a whole than Hillary. Yet the Republicans managed to do just that. The Republicans, 40% of them who voted for Trump were much more interested in sending the GOP party leaders and their elected officials a message, a statement than winning an election in November.

Bottom line is they sent their message and lost in November. Many tried to warn them, but that statement was most important and took priority even it mean a lost November election.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Is America better off now than it was on the day that Obama first took the Oath of Office? Absolutely. And all the "America's-going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket" hand-wringing by the Right can't erase that fact.
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Yes and you have an unsustainable debt load.
 
The Mark said:
Hmm. I think if Cruz won it might have been almost as close - he might have been able to beat Clinton simply by not being quite as insane as Trump is.
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I cant agree with that in anyway, I think he loses sooner and faster . . .

the only way that doesnt happen if he would have had a platform COMPLETELY different from his history and comments.

While they are not the ONLY issues and should not be the ONLY considerations if his platform had large parts about banning abortions religious protections that arent needed and overturning equal rights for gays and never letting trans get equal rights his numbers would be even worse.

The other trick he would have had to pull out his sleeve is even if he didnt put those things in his platform he would be asked about them all the time.

You could be right but IMO I highly doubt that nutter would have done better than trump.
 
The Mark said:
Hmm. I think if Cruz won it might have been almost as close - he might have been able to beat Clinton simply by not being quite as insane as Trump is.
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Kasich was leading HRC by 4-6 % points during the primary.
 
JANFU said:
Trump could have won if he stayed on topic. Note after the Dem Convention, little bounce for HRC. She is despised - the call it high negatives- that is like putting lipstick on a pig -by substantial numbers of Democrats and Independents.
She was the anointed one by the Party elites well before the primaries began.

The scandals Trump had are nothing compared to HRC.
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Trump could have never won, forget horse race number and just look at the favorable/unfavorable numbers of the candidates. Remember folks tend not to vote for those they dislike and Trumps unfavorable number has hovered just above or below 60% since the beginning of the year. Clinton has been on a roller coaster, she started the year with a 54% unfavorable rating, fell to 60% at the end of May, was at 55% unfavorable at the end of the Democratic convention, back to 58% at the end of September and now has 53% of all Americans viewing her unfavorably. Trump has 60% of all Americans viewing him unfavorable.

What's this tells me is that Trump no matter when wasn't going to get much over 40% of the vote. Clinton on the other had like her unfavorable ratings has went up and down. The bottom line is that it is pretty hard to get someone to vote for you if they don't like you.
 
JANFU said:
Yes and you have an unsustainable debt load.
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You "know" that because that's what you've been told. And told again. And again. And again. And again.

But if you'd look at things like, you know, documented history, you'd find out that the last two presidents who balanced the budget were Democrats. Not the Republicans, but the Democrats. And if the significantly-lower per-capita cost of providing single-payer health care in ALL other first-world democracies is any indication, it would result not in a higher debt load...but one that is lower than what it would be otherwise.

But I get it - you can't allow yourself to consider even for a moment that maybe, just maybe ALL the other first-world democracies are doing something better and more effectively - and more cheaply - than we are. 'Cause they're all a different species of human in your eyes, perhaps?
 
Perotista said:
The Republicans nominated the only candidate that could possibly and will lose to Hillary Clinton.
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ONLY? You are welcome to that opinion but in my opinion I completely disagree.
Just to name a few she would have also beat Cruz, Rubio, Carson, Huckabee, Fiorina, perry and Paul.

Surprisingly and it hurts to even say, I think Bush would of had a real chance if he got the nominee. lol
 
AGENT J said:
I cant agree with that in anyway, I think he loses sooner and faster . . .

the only way that doesnt happen if he would have had a platform COMPLETELY different from his history and comments.

While they are not the ONLY issues and should not be the ONLY considerations if his platform had large parts about banning abortions religious protections that arent needed and overturning equal rights for gays and never letting trans get equal rights his numbers would be even worse.

The other trick he would have had to pull out his sleeve is even if he didnt put those things in his platform he would be asked about them all the time.

You could be right but IMO I highly doubt that nutter would have done better than trump.
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While technically he might be as insane as trump, if for different reasons, it's possible he might have been able to...present a better facade?

We'll never know though. Probably for the best.
 
JANFU said:
Kasich was leading HRC by 4-6 % points during the primary.
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But he was even less likely to get nominated than Cruz.
 
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